Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010

Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." Updated for 2010


Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

On Aug 22, 7:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

It is really sad that all you Tea-Hags have no freedom. How did you
lose it?

On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said:

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free
and half corporate fascist."

On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote:
On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:





Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said:

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free
and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its
unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes.

"...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows
that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced
them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have
labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion
of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to
each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a
worthy object of any good government.."

Abraham Lincoln

As subscribers of rte have seen, a disproportionally high number of
mentally disturbed people from the United States project their ill
health in their messages when [cross]posting to the group. Some of them
have been around a decade or so. Pretty hefty portion of their lives
wasted away.


Roughly and clearly more than 50% of all the crazy tirade (about
Lincoln, Osama, Obama, moslems and so worth) originate to news servers
residing inside the borders of the United States.

US Americans constitute a couple of percent of all the usenet
subscribers and yet their share among nut-cases is about 1000% higher.

What makes US Americans so vulnerable to mental illnesses? Is there any
cure for their less balanced behaviour? Is the American healthcare
authority equipped with sufficient resources to rehabilitate these poor
sods? Heal the sick and miserable. Give them some hope to return to
civilisation as robust and independent people capable of standing on
their own two feet.

It looks very peculiar that one relatively restricted (even if large)
area on earth contributes about as many nut-cases as rest of the world.
Quite alarming actually.

On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:51:38 +0300, Markku Grönroos
wrote:

US Americans constitute a couple of percent of all the usenet
subscribers and yet their share among nut-cases is about 1000% higher.

It looks to me like American traffic is well over 50% of Usenet.

It looks very peculiar that one relatively restricted (even if large)
area on earth contributes about as many nut-cases as rest of the world.
Quite alarming actually.

Look proportional to me.

-- Larry

On Aug 22, 8:04*am, GLOBALIST wrote:
On Aug 22, 7:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:





Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

It is really sad that all you Tea-Hags have no freedom. How did you
lose it?


One imposition at a time. Laws steal choices. What do you have when
you have no choice?
http://www.EndIt.info

On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote:





On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said:

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free
and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its
unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes.

"...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows
that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced
them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have
labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion
of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to
each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a
worthy object of any good government.."

Abraham Lincoln

The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate
fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support
in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the
laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln:

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the
higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of
protection as any other rights."
--Abraham Lincoln

On Aug 23, 8:53*am, mg wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:



On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote:

On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said:

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free
and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its
unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes.

"...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows
that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced
them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have
labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion
of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to
each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a
worthy object of any good government.."

Abraham Lincoln

The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate
fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support
in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the
laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln:

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the
higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of
protection as any other rights."
--Abraham Lincoln

The only thing, in this subject, that has any relation to this group
is that some historians maintain that Lincoln was referring to the
split of the Roman Empire. Edward Gibbons, in his "The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire" maintains that one (of fourteen) reasons for
the decline and fall is that the empire was split, with the old
capitol remaining in Rome, and the new capitol, with a new emperor,
moving to Byzantium (afterwards Constantinople, now Istanbul.) This
also split Christianity, with the pope, and Roman Catholic church in
Rome and the "Orthodox" church in Byzantium. Not much to do with
modern politics. Anyway here is his last paragraph...

“Of these pilgrims, and of every reader, the attention will be excited
by a History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; the
greatest, perhaps, and most awful scene in the history of mankind. The
various causes and progressive effects are connected with many of the
events most interesting in human annals: the artful policy of the
Caesars, who long maintained the name and image of a free republic;
the disorders of military despotism; the rise, establishment, and
sects of Christianity; the foundation of Constantinople; the division
of the monarchy; the invasion and settlements of the Barbarians of
Germany and Scythia; the institutions of the civil law; the character
and religion of Mahomet; the temporal sovereignty of the popes; the
restoration and decay of the Western empire of Charlemagne; the
crusades of the Latins in the East: the conquests of the Saracens and
Turks; the ruin of the Greek empire; the state and revolutions of Rome
in the middle age. The historian may applaud the importance and
variety of his subject; but while he is conscious of his own
imperfections, he must often accuse the deficiency of his materials.
It was among the ruins of the Capitol that I first conceived the idea
of a work which has amused and exercised near twenty years of my life,
and which, however inadequate to my own wishes, I finally delivered to
the curiosity and candour of the public.”
LAUSANNE,
June 27 1787

On Aug 24, 1:57*pm, billzz wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:53*am, mg wrote:



On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote:

On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." *Updated for 2010

Saturday, August 21, 2010

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist
and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house
to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of
it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that
it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push
it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old
as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West."

If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said:

"I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free
and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its
unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes.

"...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows
that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced
them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have
labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion
of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to
each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a
worthy object of any good government.."

Abraham Lincoln

The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate
fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support
in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the
laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln:

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the
fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the
higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of
protection as any other rights."
--Abraham Lincoln

The only thing, in this subject, that has any relation to this group
is that some historians maintain that Lincoln was referring to the
split of the Roman Empire. *Edward Gibbons, in his "The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire" maintains that one (of fourteen) reasons for
the decline and fall is that the empire was split, with the old
capitol remaining in Rome, and the new capitol, with a new emperor,
moving to Byzantium (afterwards Constantinople, now Istanbul.) *This
also split Christianity, with the pope, and Roman Catholic church in
Rome and the "Orthodox" church in Byzantium. *Not much to do with
modern politics. *Anyway here is his last paragraph...

“Of these pilgrims, and of every reader, the attention will be excited
by a History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; the
greatest, perhaps, and most awful scene in the history of mankind. The
various causes and progressive effects are connected with many of the
events most interesting in human annals: the artful policy of the
Caesars, who long maintained the name and image of a free republic;
the disorders of military despotism; the rise, establishment, and
sects of Christianity; the foundation of Constantinople; the division
of the monarchy; the invasion and settlements of the Barbarians of
Germany and Scythia; the institutions of the civil law; the character
and religion of Mahomet; the temporal sovereignty of the popes; the
restoration and decay of the Western empire of Charlemagne; the
crusades of the Latins in the East: the conquests of the Saracens and
Turks; the ruin of the Greek empire; the state and revolutions of Rome
in the middle age. The historian may applaud the importance and
variety of his subject; but while he is conscious of his own
imperfections, he must often accuse the deficiency of his materials.
It was among the ruins of the Capitol that I first conceived the idea
of a work which has amused and exercised near twenty years of my life,
and which, however inadequate to my own wishes, I finally delivered to
the curiosity and candour of the public.”
LAUSANNE,
June 27 1787

Lincoln may also have been referring to the impending civil war.

Whatever "free" system this clown is referring to, seemed to have
produced slavery, genocide and mass murder.

There is NO one or the other, since the capitalist bankers seemed to
have received welfare worldwide the last decade