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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot
stand." Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 22, 7:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." It is really sad that all you Tea-Hags have no freedom. How did you lose it? |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free and half corporate fascist." |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote:
On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes. "...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government.." Abraham Lincoln |
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Faults In The American Healthcare System
As subscribers of rte have seen, a disproportionally high number of
mentally disturbed people from the United States project their ill health in their messages when [cross]posting to the group. Some of them have been around a decade or so. Pretty hefty portion of their lives wasted away. Roughly and clearly more than 50% of all the crazy tirade (about Lincoln, Osama, Obama, moslems and so worth) originate to news servers residing inside the borders of the United States. US Americans constitute a couple of percent of all the usenet subscribers and yet their share among nut-cases is about 1000% higher. What makes US Americans so vulnerable to mental illnesses? Is there any cure for their less balanced behaviour? Is the American healthcare authority equipped with sufficient resources to rehabilitate these poor sods? Heal the sick and miserable. Give them some hope to return to civilisation as robust and independent people capable of standing on their own two feet. It looks very peculiar that one relatively restricted (even if large) area on earth contributes about as many nut-cases as rest of the world. Quite alarming actually. |
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Faults In The American Healthcare System
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:51:38 +0300, Markku Grönroos
wrote: US Americans constitute a couple of percent of all the usenet subscribers and yet their share among nut-cases is about 1000% higher. It looks to me like American traffic is well over 50% of Usenet. It looks very peculiar that one relatively restricted (even if large) area on earth contributes about as many nut-cases as rest of the world. Quite alarming actually. Look proportional to me. -- Larry |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 22, 8:04*am, GLOBALIST wrote:
On Aug 22, 7:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." It is really sad that all you Tea-Hags have no freedom. How did you lose it? One imposition at a time. Laws steal choices. What do you have when you have no choice? http://www.EndIt.info |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote: On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote: On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes. "...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government.." Abraham Lincoln The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." --Abraham Lincoln |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannotstand." Updated for 2010
On Aug 23, 8:53*am, mg wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote: On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes. "...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government.." Abraham Lincoln The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." --Abraham Lincoln The only thing, in this subject, that has any relation to this group is that some historians maintain that Lincoln was referring to the split of the Roman Empire. Edward Gibbons, in his "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" maintains that one (of fourteen) reasons for the decline and fall is that the empire was split, with the old capitol remaining in Rome, and the new capitol, with a new emperor, moving to Byzantium (afterwards Constantinople, now Istanbul.) This also split Christianity, with the pope, and Roman Catholic church in Rome and the "Orthodox" church in Byzantium. Not much to do with modern politics. Anyway here is his last paragraph... “Of these pilgrims, and of every reader, the attention will be excited by a History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; the greatest, perhaps, and most awful scene in the history of mankind. The various causes and progressive effects are connected with many of the events most interesting in human annals: the artful policy of the Caesars, who long maintained the name and image of a free republic; the disorders of military despotism; the rise, establishment, and sects of Christianity; the foundation of Constantinople; the division of the monarchy; the invasion and settlements of the Barbarians of Germany and Scythia; the institutions of the civil law; the character and religion of Mahomet; the temporal sovereignty of the popes; the restoration and decay of the Western empire of Charlemagne; the crusades of the Latins in the East: the conquests of the Saracens and Turks; the ruin of the Greek empire; the state and revolutions of Rome in the middle age. The historian may applaud the importance and variety of his subject; but while he is conscious of his own imperfections, he must often accuse the deficiency of his materials. It was among the ruins of the Capitol that I first conceived the idea of a work which has amused and exercised near twenty years of my life, and which, however inadequate to my own wishes, I finally delivered to the curiosity and candour of the public.” LAUSANNE, June 27 1787 |
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Abraham Lincoln's speech: "Tis better to remain silent and bethought a fool, than open ye mouth to remove all doubts" Updated for 2010,nah works timelessly
On Aug 24, 1:57*pm, billzz wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:53*am, mg wrote: On Aug 22, 8:00*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: On Aug 22, 9:00*am, mg wrote: On Aug 22, 6:02*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: Abraham Lincoln's speech: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." *Updated for 2010 Saturday, August 21, 2010 "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half socialist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of socialism will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South, East as well as West." If we were to update it for 2010, Lincoln would have said: "I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half free and half corporate fascist."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Abraham Lincoln was no friend of Socialism with the dogma of its unworkable, government coerced income redistribution schemes. "...In asmuch as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a larger proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government.." Abraham Lincoln The U.S. is not a socialist country, but we are approaching corporate fascism and Abraham Lincoln is not a good historical figure to support in the worker vs. capitalism argument. Lincoln was a friend of the laborer as your quote indicates. Here's another quote from Lincoln: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights." --Abraham Lincoln The only thing, in this subject, that has any relation to this group is that some historians maintain that Lincoln was referring to the split of the Roman Empire. *Edward Gibbons, in his "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" maintains that one (of fourteen) reasons for the decline and fall is that the empire was split, with the old capitol remaining in Rome, and the new capitol, with a new emperor, moving to Byzantium (afterwards Constantinople, now Istanbul.) *This also split Christianity, with the pope, and Roman Catholic church in Rome and the "Orthodox" church in Byzantium. *Not much to do with modern politics. *Anyway here is his last paragraph... “Of these pilgrims, and of every reader, the attention will be excited by a History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; the greatest, perhaps, and most awful scene in the history of mankind. The various causes and progressive effects are connected with many of the events most interesting in human annals: the artful policy of the Caesars, who long maintained the name and image of a free republic; the disorders of military despotism; the rise, establishment, and sects of Christianity; the foundation of Constantinople; the division of the monarchy; the invasion and settlements of the Barbarians of Germany and Scythia; the institutions of the civil law; the character and religion of Mahomet; the temporal sovereignty of the popes; the restoration and decay of the Western empire of Charlemagne; the crusades of the Latins in the East: the conquests of the Saracens and Turks; the ruin of the Greek empire; the state and revolutions of Rome in the middle age. The historian may applaud the importance and variety of his subject; but while he is conscious of his own imperfections, he must often accuse the deficiency of his materials. It was among the ruins of the Capitol that I first conceived the idea of a work which has amused and exercised near twenty years of my life, and which, however inadequate to my own wishes, I finally delivered to the curiosity and candour of the public.” LAUSANNE, June 27 1787 Lincoln may also have been referring to the impending civil war. Whatever "free" system this clown is referring to, seemed to have produced slavery, genocide and mass murder. There is NO one or the other, since the capitalist bankers seemed to have received welfare worldwide the last decade |
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