Germany, Denmark, Netherlands travelogue

Here is a detailed report of our trip to northern Germany, Denmark and
the Netherlands in June this year (by car + plane from Munich):

http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Germany/2014/ (Germany)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Denmark/2014/ (Denmark)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Netherlands/2014/ (Netherlands)

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On 13 Sep 2014 in rec.travel.europe, Alfred Molon wrote:

Here is a detailed report of our trip to northern Germany, Denmark and
the Netherlands in June this year (by car + plane from Munich):

http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Germany/2014/ (Germany)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Denmark/2014/ (Denmark)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Netherlands/2014/ (Netherlands)

I agree that Denmark is expensive. We had the good fortune to have a
guide - our daughter was studying at DTU at the time. We stayed in
Ballerup (Zleephotel - spartan but (relatively) inexpensive), drove to
Lyngby and took the bus into Copenhagen from there.

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"Alfred Molon" wrote in message
...
Here is a detailed report of our trip to northern Germany, Denmark and
the Netherlands in June this year (by car + plane from Munich):

http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Germany/2014/ (Germany)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Denmark/2014/ (Denmark)
http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Netherlands/2014/ (Netherlands)

What a strange route to include Amsterdam in a trip to
Germany/Denmark/Sweden

Of course people arrive early for a twice a day ferry.. Many of them will
have come from 100s of kms away and will have left a lot of slack in their
drive so that they don't miss it. Even so, if you come from a short
distance away and can time your arrival for the last minute, many occasional
ferries have a minimum check in of 1 hour - arriving only 20 minutes before
it leaves is just asking to be left on the quay-side (though I can't find
Stena's rules about this)

Would have been interesting to know how long you queued for the Fehmarnbelt
ferry.

In article , tim..... says...
What a strange route to include Amsterdam in a trip to
Germany/Denmark/Sweden

Because I had to be in Amsterdam on these dates, to attend a conference.

Of course people arrive early for a twice a day ferry.. Many of them will
have come from 100s of kms away and will have left a lot of slack in their
drive so that they don't miss it. Even so, if you come from a short
distance away and can time your arrival for the last minute, many occasional
ferries have a minimum check in of 1 hour - arriving only 20 minutes before
it leaves is just asking to be left on the quay-side (though I can't find
Stena's rules about this)

Would have been interesting to know how long you queued for the Fehmarnbelt
ferry.

You misunderstood that. We chose a late ferry (8:15pm), to have the
whole day available for sightseeing. Then we were done with Lübeck
earlier than expected and the weather was not that good, so we drove to
Puttgarden early, arriving at 6pm. We drove a bit around the area, but
didn't find anything terribly interesting and it was raining anyway. So
we didn't do anything special until we got on the ferry.
At 7:20pm we drove to the ferry terminal, expecting to wait a while for
the 8:15pm ferry, but were lucky to be put on the 7:45pm ferry, thereby
shortening the waiting time by half an hour.
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On Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:02:12 AM UTC+1, Alfred Molon wrote:
Here is a detailed report of our trip to northern Germany, Denmark and

the Netherlands in June this year (by car + plane from Munich):



http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Germany/2014/ (Germany)

http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Denmark/2014/ (Denmark)

http://www.molon.de/travelogues/Netherlands/2014/ (Netherlands)



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http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

You ate 'ethnic' in the Netherlands, but not Indonesian? You missed out on one of the Netherlands' major treats!

In article ,
Surreyman says...

You ate 'ethnic' in the Netherlands, but not Indonesian? You missed out on one of the Netherlands' major treats!

My wife is Malaysian, so I'm well acquainted with Indonesian food.
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On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:18:03 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:21:58 +0200, Alfred Molon wrote:



In article ,

Surreyman says...



You ate 'ethnic' in the Netherlands, but not Indonesian? You missed out on one of the Netherlands' major treats!



My wife is Malaysian, so I'm well acquainted with Indonesian food.



without spending a ridiculous amount on what in many cases is a poor Dutch

imitation of the real thing in Amsterdam.

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Martin in Zuid Holland

As is curry in UK - but still highly enjoyable nevertheless!
However, thanks to my Dutch friends having trained up as Indo chefs to professional standards (as a hobby), they've also taken us to 'proper' restaurants, especially around Den Haag.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:17:08 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:39:56 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:



On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:18:03 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:

On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:21:58 +0200, Alfred Molon wrote:







In article ,



Surreyman says...







You ate 'ethnic' in the Netherlands, but not Indonesian? You missed out on one of the Netherlands' major treats!







My wife is Malaysian, so I'm well acquainted with Indonesian food.







without spending a ridiculous amount on what in many cases is a poor Dutch



imitation of the real thing in Amsterdam.





As is curry in UK - but still highly enjoyable nevertheless!



Curry in UK is hardly sold at the prices charged for Indonesian food in

Amsterdam.



However, thanks to my Dutch friends having trained up as Indo chefs to professional standards (as a hobby), they've also taken us to 'proper' restaurants, especially around Den Haag.



There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. The food of the one that

is rated as the best is cooked in The Hague and is reheated in Leiden. The

resulting quality is poor.



I've never had an Indonesian meal in NL that is anything like that sold in

Singapore and Malaysia. Even the Dutch Indonesian satay isn't anything like the

real thing. Often it is boiled in the bag stuff.

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Martin in Zuid Holland

Authenticity apart, I have to say I've often eaten Indonesian in the Netherlands at approximately UK curry prices - maybe not in central A'dam recently, but then I don't tend to eat curry in Regent Street either.

On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:27:49 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman

wrote:



On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:17:08 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 02:39:56 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman



wrote:







On Friday, October 3, 2014 9:18:03 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:



On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:21:58 +0200, Alfred Molon wrote:















In article ,







Surreyman says...















You ate 'ethnic' in the Netherlands, but not Indonesian? You missed out on one of the Netherlands' major treats!















My wife is Malaysian, so I'm well acquainted with Indonesian food.















without spending a ridiculous amount on what in many cases is a poor Dutch







imitation of the real thing in Amsterdam.











As is curry in UK - but still highly enjoyable nevertheless!







Curry in UK is hardly sold at the prices charged for Indonesian food in



Amsterdam.







However, thanks to my Dutch friends having trained up as Indo chefs to professional standards (as a hobby), they've also taken us to 'proper' restaurants, especially around Den Haag.







There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. The food of the one that



is rated as the best is cooked in The Hague and is reheated in Leiden. The



resulting quality is poor.







I've never had an Indonesian meal in NL that is anything like that sold in



Singapore and Malaysia. Even the Dutch Indonesian satay isn't anything like the



real thing. Often it is boiled in the bag stuff.



Authenticity apart, I have to say I've often eaten Indonesian in the Netherlands at approximately UK curry prices - maybe not in central A'dam recently, but then I don't tend to eat curry in Regent Street either.



There's no restaurants in the Leiden area selling Asian food for the price of a

good curry in the North of England. You are lucky if you can buy a starter in NL

for the same price.



How much are you paying for the Indonesian meals you buy in NL?

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Martin in Zuid Holland

Last occasion was about 18 months ago in De Lier, near den Haag.
It was a perfectly ordinary (but reasonably smart) 'pseudo' Indonesian when I hosted some 20 people for a very fulfilling 'banquet' (not a rijstafel).
It came to around 16 euro per head (the drinks bill was the same again!).
A curry with side dishes would be at least that, probably more, in our Surrey village.

In article ,
Martin wrote:

I've never had an Indonesian meal in NL that is anything like that sold in
Singapore and Malaysia. Even the Dutch Indonesian satay isn't anything like
the
real thing. Often it is boiled in the bag stuff.

So no restaurants run by Indonesian immigrants?