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Old December 21st, 2007, 02:35 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Robert Cohen
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.

How close must it be to NYC ?

I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.

The only comparison I know of is that "too damne far," "inconvenient"
Dullles Airport which many would rather avoid for Reagan National.

By "eminent domain"--since money incentive persuasion won't
completely work--because it's past time for starting another airport,
which would seemingly take 5-10 snail-paced years especially if no
existing air force base can be adapted.

Furthermo Anybody complaining of a nuisance (who is residing w/in
certain distance of the location) should be offered a generous buyout
settlement.

What would i do about overall damages to ecology, communities and
establiished ways of life ?

I DUNNO. That's why they have "public relations."

If the valid argument against it is that it would only minimally or
temporarily solve anything, then
nevermind, and please bring back better passenger rail and/or better
busses.



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Old December 21st, 2007, 03:30 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Rog'
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

"Robert Cohen" wrote:
It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.
How close must it be to NYC ?
I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.


How about expanding existing airports?
1. Stick some landfill in the water between LaGuardia & Rikers.
B. Westchester Co. Airport is only 32 miles from Central Park
.... just level some nearby golf courses.


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Old December 21st, 2007, 10:54 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

Rog' wrote:

"Robert Cohen" wrote:

It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.
How close must it be to NYC ?
I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.



How about expanding existing airports?
1. Stick some landfill in the water between LaGuardia & Rikers.
B. Westchester Co. Airport is only 32 miles from Central Park
... just level some nearby golf courses.



Just build a subway
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Old December 21st, 2007, 06:12 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Robert Cohen
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

On Dec 20, 9:30*pm, "Rog'" wrote:
"Robert Cohen" wrote:
It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.
How close must it be to NYC ?
I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.


How about expanding existing airports?
1. *Stick some landfill in the water between LaGuardia & Rikers.
B. *Westchester Co. Airport is only 32 miles from Central Park
... just level some nearby golf courses.


Landfills to expand existing airports such as LaGuardia

Is it the Tokyo airport that has runway extended on a manmade spit
(terrific geology111 word)

Sounds doable to me so long as i shut my eyes when taking off and
landing from such a crazy damne ...hhhmmm....or "simply" well-
designed very WIDE & LONG bridges over waters

subway solution

explain a little

dulles has fairly successful fast metro train service, n'est-ce pas?
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 11:55 AM posted to rec.travel.air
TEP
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

Stewart International Airport is just 60 miles north of NYC. Many would
like to consider it the fourth New York airport.

"Robert Cohen" wrote in message
...
It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.

How close must it be to NYC ?

I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.

The only comparison I know of is that "too damne far," "inconvenient"
Dullles Airport which many would rather avoid for Reagan National.

By "eminent domain"--since money incentive persuasion won't
completely work--because it's past time for starting another airport,
which would seemingly take 5-10 snail-paced years especially if no
existing air force base can be adapted.

Furthermo Anybody complaining of a nuisance (who is residing w/in
certain distance of the location) should be offered a generous buyout
settlement.

What would i do about overall damages to ecology, communities and
establiished ways of life ?

I DUNNO. That's why they have "public relations."

If the valid argument against it is that it would only minimally or
temporarily solve anything, then
nevermind, and please bring back better passenger rail and/or better
busses.





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Old December 22nd, 2007, 03:53 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Robert Cohen
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

On Dec 22, 5:55*am, "TEP" wrote:
Stewart International Airport is just 60 miles north of NYC. *Many would
like to consider it the fourth New York airport.

"Robert Cohen" wrote in message

...



It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.


How close must it be to NYC ?


I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.


The only comparison I know of is that "too damne far," "inconvenient"
Dullles Airport which many would rather avoid for Reagan National.


By "eminent domain"--since *money incentive persuasion won't
completely work--because it's past time for starting another airport,
which would seemingly take 5-10 snail-paced years especially if no
existing air force base can be adapted.


Furthermo Anybody complaining of a nuisance (who is residing w/in
certain distance of the location) should be offered a generous buyout
settlement.


What would i do about overall damages to ecology, *communities and
establiished ways of life ?


I DUNNO. That's why they have "public relations."


If the valid argument against it is that it would only minimally or
temporarily solve anything, then
nevermind, and *please bring back better passenger rail and/or better
busses.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


re Stewart

But the community seems to object when it's brought-up, right?

Well, if they were paid, say, double in fair market value, ....
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 05:47 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Jim Davis[_1_]
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

On Dec 22, 8:53*am, Robert Cohen wrote:
On Dec 22, 5:55*am, "TEP" wrote:





Stewart International Airport is just 60 miles north of NYC. *Many would
like to consider it the fourth New York airport.


"Robert Cohen" wrote in message


...


It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.


How close must it be to NYC ?


I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.


The only comparison I know of is that "too damne far," "inconvenient"
Dullles Airport which many would rather avoid for Reagan National.


By "eminent domain"--since *money incentive persuasion won't
completely work--because it's past time for starting another airport,
which would seemingly take 5-10 snail-paced years especially if no
existing air force base can be adapted.


Furthermo Anybody complaining of a nuisance (who is residing w/in
certain distance of the location) should be offered a generous buyout
settlement.


What would i do about overall damages to ecology, *communities and
establiished ways of life ?


I DUNNO. That's why they have "public relations."


If the valid argument against it is that it would only minimally or
temporarily solve anything, then
nevermind, and *please bring back better passenger rail and/or better
busses.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


re Stewart

But the community seems to object when it's brought-up, right?

Well, if they were paid, say, *double in fair market value, ....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Don't think it would work. It's peoples rights to complain, and they
excerise their rights regularly.

A while back, people bought new homes which were built bordering
undeveloped IAH property. Then the airport expanded, and all hell
broke loose with the home owners.
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Old December 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Robert Cohen
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

On Dec 23, 11:47*am, Jim Davis wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:53*am, Robert Cohen wrote:





On Dec 22, 5:55*am, "TEP" wrote:


Stewart International Airport is just 60 miles north of NYC. *Many would
like to consider it the fourth New York airport.


"Robert Cohen" wrote in message


....


It's obvious to a simple-mind non-expert there is a need.


How close must it be to NYC ?


I'd guesss roughly w/in 65 miles.


The only comparison I know of is that "too damne far," "inconvenient"
Dullles Airport which many would rather avoid for Reagan National.


By "eminent domain"--since *money incentive persuasion won't
completely work--because it's past time for starting another airport,
which would seemingly take 5-10 snail-paced years especially if no
existing air force base can be adapted.


Furthermo Anybody complaining of a nuisance (who is residing w/in
certain distance of the location) should be offered a generous buyout
settlement.


What would i do about overall damages to ecology, *communities and
establiished ways of life ?


I DUNNO. That's why they have "public relations."


If the valid argument against it is that it would only minimally or
temporarily solve anything, then
nevermind, and *please bring back better passenger rail and/or better
busses.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


re Stewart


But the community seems to object when it's brought-up, right?


Well, if they were paid, say, *double in fair market value, ....- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Don't think it would work. *It's peoples rights to complain, and they
excerise their rights regularly.

A while back, people bought new homes which were built bordering
undeveloped IAH property. *Then the airport expanded, and all hell
broke loose with the home owners.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Similar thing happened approx 15 years ago in Gwinnett County,
Lawrenceville, Georgia.

The "good ole boys" aka "the power structure," via a state highway
department presentation, tried to expand Briscoe airport for
Hartsfield relief.

(Hartsfield subsequently spent at least 350+ million dollars to add
another runway: Actually I think it was just the fill-dirt itself
that cost 350 M to dig and move by conveyor.)

(Was it a public bid? I suppose it was, while I'll never forget that
figure.)

I hadn't seen so many angry bourgeoise (mostly I betcha GOP voters)
at the county commission bldg (includes your truly who resided only 5
minutes away from Briscoe).
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Old December 24th, 2007, 04:36 AM posted to rec.travel.air
A Guy Called Tyketto
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Jim Davis wrote:

Don't think it would work. It's peoples rights to complain, and they
excerise their rights regularly.

A while back, people bought new homes which were built bordering
undeveloped IAH property. Then the airport expanded, and all hell
broke loose with the home owners.


While you're right, it is their right to complain, they also
have shown lack of common sense when they knew what they were getting
themselves into when they bought such homes bordering airport property.

The same thing happened in Las Vegas. The departure corridor to
runways 25L, 25R, 19L, and 19R used to be totally undeveloped. Now
homes have sprung up there faster than rabbits can mate, and people
bought and moved into them just as fast. Now they complain about
airplane noise.

Both IAH and LAS had been there some 30 - 40 years before them and
their homes, and when they move in, they complain. Where were their
complaints when they saw the area? did they do any research to see if
there would be anything to encroach on their housing area?

One can hardly blame an airport for lack of common sense.

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Old December 24th, 2007, 09:20 PM posted to rec.travel.air
Justin Case[_2_]
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Default Land Is Needed in the NYC Area For a New Airport

"TEP" wrote in
:

Stewart International Airport is just 60 miles north of NYC. Many would
like to consider it the fourth New York airport.


I have a much better idea and it falls right in line with existing airport
planning.

Build a large new multi-runway airport near Millerton, New York. It has
the advantage of (relatively) inexpensive land and virtually no connections
to get you near New York City.

 




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