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Old January 8th, 2020, 08:06 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc
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Default Another 737 goes down

But it's an -800 model, not a Max:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUwF2WEpw5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7G9S9ahUEs

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20200108-0

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrain...180-passengers

"The plane had been delayed from taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini
International Airport by almost an hour. It never made it above 8,000 feet,
crashing just minutes after takeoff, according to data from the
flight-tracking website FlightRadar24.

"Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran's Road and Transportation Ministry,
said it appeared a fire erupted in one of its engines and the pilot lost
control of the plane, according to the state-run IRNA news agency."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ane-crash.html

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Old January 8th, 2020, 08:14 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc
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In "Byker" writes:

"Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran's Road and Transportation Ministry,
said it appeared a fire erupted in one of its engines and the pilot lost
control of the plane, according to the state-run IRNA news agency."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ane-crash.html


"fire erupted in one of its engines".

Gee. Exactly the area where a heat seeking anti aircraft
missile would hit.

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Old January 8th, 2020, 09:26 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc
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Default Another 737 goes down

In article ,
danny burstein wrote:
In "Byker" writes:

"Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran's Road and Transportation Ministry,
said it appeared a fire erupted in one of its engines and the pilot lost
control of the plane, according to the state-run IRNA news agency."
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/202...ane-crash.html


"fire erupted in one of its engines".

Gee. Exactly the area where a heat seeking anti aircraft
missile would hit.


Fired by whom? In what scenario would someone in Iran shoot down a
civilian plane from a third country that had just taken off from the
Teheran airport? It's far more likely to have been a bird strike or
maintenance issue.

Press releases from Ukrainian airlines say that the plane was
registration number UR-PSR and it had last had routine maintenance on
Monday at its home airport in Kyiv.



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Old January 8th, 2020, 09:39 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc
danny burstein
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In John Levine writes:

Gee. Exactly the area where a heat seeking anti aircraft
missile would hit.


Fired by whom? In what scenario would someone in Iran shoot down a
civilian plane from a third country that had just taken off from the
Teheran airport? It's far more likely to have been a bird strike or
maintenance issue.


Umm, any of 250 SAM itchy finger ground crews stationed in a circle
around Tehran who bumped against the "fire" button?

Then again, there was TWA 800 just a few weeks after 9/11 which
exploded and crashed just after takeoff from JFK.

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Old January 9th, 2020, 05:29 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc
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Default Another 737 goes down

In danny burstein writes:

Then again, there was TWA 800 just a few weeks after 9/11 which
exploded and crashed just after takeoff from JFK.


Point stands but you're thinking of AA 587.

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Old January 9th, 2020, 06:38 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc,alt.security.terrorism
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Default Another 737 goes down

"David Pirmann" wrote in message ...

In danny burstein
writes:

Then again, there was TWA 800 just a few weeks after 9/11 which exploded
and crashed just after takeoff from JFK.


Point stands but you're thinking of AA 587.


Interesting what-could-have-been:

Unabomber Ted Kaczynski was arrested on April 3, 1996.

TWA flight 800 blew up on July 17, 1996.

Had Kaczynski not been arrested, as he had been in the prior 19 years, guess
where the fingers would have been pointing? He'd tried but failed to take
down an airliner in 1979:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nes_Flight_444

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Old January 10th, 2020, 03:42 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,rec.aviation,rec.travel.air,talk.politics.misc,alt.security.terrorism
danny burstein
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In "Byker" writes:

[sniipppp]

Then again, there was TWA 800 just a few weeks after 9/11 which exploded
and crashed just after takeoff from JFK.


Point stands but you're thinking of AA 587.


Dammit, I conflated the two...

The TWA flight exploded in mid air. The AA flight had a catestrophic
failure of the rudder assembly. (Both scenarios were supposed to
be impossible, of course).

Interesting what-could-have-been:


Unabomber Ted Kaczynski was arrested on April 3, 1996.


TWA flight 800 blew up on July 17, 1996.


Had Kaczynski not been arrested, as he had been in the prior 19 years, guess
where the fingers would have been pointing? He'd tried but failed to take
down an airliner in 1979:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nes_Flight_444


As a kind of related point, it was back in 1996 that the US Postal Service
established new rules saying any package weighing more than 16 oz (one pound)
could no longer be simply plastered with stamps and dropped in a pickup box.

Instead, they had to either use a fully trackable "meter strip",
or brought to a post office counter.

The reason was... that this was actually an FAA emergency regulation
designed to safeguard aircraft. They somewhat optimistically
figured that a plane could survive up to pound's worth of explosive
without falling to pieces and crashing.

The USPS, in turn, established their complementary regs.

(The cutoff point was later lowered to 13 ounces).

Given the time frame.. many people thought this was courtesy
of Ted Kaszinski. In actualit, it was because of the bomb that
blew up in, and brought down, TWA 800.

(Well, except that's not what happened to the airplane. It turned
out to be a fuel tank explosion. So of course, you're thinking,
the FAA and USPS rescinded those rules. Right? Wrong.)

No one's been able to explain to me why the USPS bans these
packages from neighborhood post office, that is, simple
truck routes that never see an aircraft. And simlarly,
why they won't accept 13 oz. plus boxes that have big
labels that say "Ground Transport Only". (Yes, there
are official USPS stickers with that advisory)


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