What has happened to this site!

Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

In
JerryB wrote:

Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

This is not a "site", it's a USENET newsgroup. There's no hall monitor
here.

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Abandon googlegroups.

Subscribe to a real news service. You'll find a good free service he

http://www.motzarella.org/

Use a real news client with a decent filter. You'll find a good free
client he

http://xnews.newsguy.com/

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

On Dec 6, 12:49*pm, JerryB wrote:
Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Good question. I have found this to be true across a wide spectrum of
Google Usenet Groups. During the election, in discussion groups on fly
fishing or wood working, where one might expect calm, friendly sharing
of the joys of one's hobby, the boards instead were full of vitriolic
attacks on the candidates and one another.
There is a Gresham's Law that set in as bad discussion drives out
good.

These discussion groups can be a valuable and fun way to share
information and participate in a community of shared interests. I
remember discussion groups (under Deja Vu?) where one did have
monitors and if you went off topic you were banned from the board. I
bet Google could make a similar aggangement for these sites. I'd like
to see some effort to save these groups from the garbage that fills
the internet these days.

--Don

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST), Don46
wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:49*pm, JerryB wrote:
Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Good question. I have found this to be true across a wide spectrum of
Google Usenet Groups. During the election, in discussion groups on fly
fishing or wood working, where one might expect calm, friendly sharing
of the joys of one's hobby, the boards instead were full of vitriolic
attacks on the candidates and one another.
There is a Gresham's Law that set in as bad discussion drives out
good.

These discussion groups can be a valuable and fun way to share
information and participate in a community of shared interests. I
remember discussion groups (under Deja Vu?) where one did have
monitors and if you went off topic you were banned from the board. I
bet Google could make a similar aggangement for these sites. I'd like
to see some effort to save these groups from the garbage that fills
the internet these days.

Some of you seen to be having a problem grasping what is going on
here. This is not a Googlegroup. This is a Usenet newsgroup, of
which there are tens of thouands. Usenet has been around for
decades, well before the existence of either the Web or Google.
"Googlegroups" is just Google's way of connecting you to Usenet,
and Google has no control whatsoever over the content of the
postings to Usenet (although, strictly speaking, it could monitor
postings being made by Googlegroup users).

There are Usenet newgroups that are moderated, and all psoting go
through desiganted moderators who basically censor them to ensure
relevant content and and lack of vituperativeness. But the vast
majority of newsgroups are unmoderated. The moderated newsgroups
tend to be a bit dull and boring, but usually do have good
information about a subject, the postings haveing been vetted to
assure it. The vast majority of newsgroups are unmoderated and
are more ree-wheeling. Postings sometimes veer off topic, and
some of the off-topic threads are the most interesting. It's
considered bad form to make an off-topic post de novo, but
threads sometimes take a turn off-topic simply by the fact that
so many psots become peripheral to the main topic.

There are a lot of idiots posting things for sale, or slamming a
politician in a non-political newsgroup and a lot of posters
simply appear to be raving mad. Those of us who read Usenet with
well-designed software have built-in ways of avoiding these
posters, most notably killfiles; unfortunately, Google does not
have well-designed software for reading Usenet (which it calls
Googlegroups).





--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

JerryB wrote:


Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Here's one: http://forum.livinginperu.com/

--
Bob Broughton
http://broughton.ca/
Vancouver, BC, Canada
"Given that tobacco is legal, its users are not drug addicts."
- Robert Wagner, June 6, 2008

In Hatunen
wrote:

although, strictly speaking, it could monitor
postings being made by Googlegroup users

Strictly speaking, Google refuses to do anything about the torrent of spam
generated by its users.

http://improve-usenet.org/

"Most of the people who post to Usenet via the clunky Google
Groups web interface are lusers or lamers."

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST), Don46
wrote:

I have found this to be true across a wide spectrum of
Google Usenet Groups.

Just adding to the chorus.

There is no such thing as Google Usenet Groups. However,
there are some usenet groups which are available via Google.
Usenet was available via newsreaders before Google existed
and continues to be.

Many usenet groups are un-moderated apart from the
restrictions of their charters. In fact the majority of
those I use are un-moderated. Further, getting Isps to
enforce charter restrictions and terms-of-service vioatlions
is a hit-and-miss affair and seems to be less and less
important to many ISPs.

So, in effect, it is anarchy.

Get a decent newsreader, learn to use killfiles and similar
screening techniques, and you can get a lot of good info off
the net.

Or, of course, you can continue to struggle through on
Google and complain about the spammers, kooks, twits and
those who complain about the lack of moderation...now how do
I design a filter for that...hmmm

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Latest: Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance...

Site monitor lol
Who would pay him to do that ?
You ??

"JerryB" a écrit dans le message de
...
Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

On Dec 7, 1:06*pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST), Don46





wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:49*pm, JerryB wrote:
Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Good question. *I have found this to be true across a wide spectrum of
Google Usenet Groups. During the election, in discussion groups on fly
fishing or wood working, where one might expect calm, friendly sharing
of the joys of one's hobby, the boards instead were full of vitriolic
attacks on the candidates and one another.
There is a Gresham's Law that set in as bad discussion drives out
good.

These discussion groups can be a valuable and fun way to share
information and participate in a community of shared interests. *I
remember discussion groups (under Deja Vu?) where one did have
monitors and if you went off topic you were banned from the board. *I
bet Google could make a similar aggangement for these sites. *I'd like
to see some effort to save these groups from the garbage that fills
the internet these days.

Some of you seen to be having a problem grasping what is going on
here. This is not a Googlegroup. This is a Usenet newsgroup, of
which there are tens of thouands. Usenet has been around for
decades, well before the existence of either the Web or Google.
"Googlegroups" is just Google's way of connecting you to Usenet,
and Google has no control whatsoever over the content of the
postings to Usenet (although, strictly speaking, it could monitor
postings being made by Googlegroup users).

There are Usenet newgroups that are moderated, and all psoting go
through desiganted moderators who basically censor them to ensure
relevant content and and lack of vituperativeness. But the vast
majority of newsgroups are unmoderated. The moderated newsgroups
tend to be a bit dull and boring, but usually do have good
information about a subject, the postings haveing been vetted to
assure it. The vast majority of newsgroups are unmoderated and
are more ree-wheeling. Postings sometimes veer off topic, and
some of the off-topic threads are the most interesting. It's
considered bad form to make an off-topic post de novo, but
threads sometimes take a turn off-topic simply by the fact that
so many psots become peripheral to the main topic.

There are a lot of idiots posting things for sale, or slamming a
politician in a non-political newsgroup and a lot of posters
simply appear to be raving mad. Those of us who read Usenet with
well-designed software have built-in ways of avoiding these
posters, most notably killfiles; unfortunately, Google does not
have well-designed software for reading Usenet (which it calls
Googlegroups).

--
* ************** DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* ** * * * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * * * *
* ** My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *- Hide quoted text -

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I think we can grasp that the site is not monitored and still wish
that it were.
Should we _not_ complain about spam and postings by nutters?

Here is some information that may help in screening out some of the
junk from the FAQ page http://groups.google.com/support/bin...53&ctx=sibling
:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How can I report cases of Usenet abuse from people posting though
Google Groups?
To report cases of Usenet abuse, click the More options link at the
top of the message and select Report this message. On the report page,
describe why you think the post is abusive.

Please be aware that, while we understand how annoying off-topic posts
can be, Google doesn't regularly monitor or censor postings sent to
Google Groups. However, we do try to prevent wide-scale spam and other
forms of Usenet abuse, most notably involving numerous repeat offenses
or the posting of someone's personal information (such as credit card
or social security numbers).

We'll use all of the information we receive regarding abuse and spam
to make large-scale changes to fight all types of abuse. In Google
Groups discussion groups (not Usenet newsgroups), you can also ask the
owner or moderator to remove a post.

For more information, please read our Terms of Service.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:12 -0800 (PST), Don46
wrote:

On Dec 7, 1:06*pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 04:38:25 -0800 (PST), Don46





wrote:
On Dec 6, 12:49*pm, JerryB wrote:
Used to visit this site often as I love to travel throughout Latin
America.
Now it's nothing but travel booking sites and p*&^n adds.

Where is the site monitor?

Is there a new site for those who just want to exchange information?

Good question. *I have found this to be true across a wide spectrum of
Google Usenet Groups. During the election, in discussion groups on fly
fishing or wood working, where one might expect calm, friendly sharing
of the joys of one's hobby, the boards instead were full of vitriolic
attacks on the candidates and one another.
There is a Gresham's Law that set in as bad discussion drives out
good.

These discussion groups can be a valuable and fun way to share
information and participate in a community of shared interests. *I
remember discussion groups (under Deja Vu?) where one did have
monitors and if you went off topic you were banned from the board. *I
bet Google could make a similar aggangement for these sites. *I'd like
to see some effort to save these groups from the garbage that fills
the internet these days.

Some of you seen to be having a problem grasping what is going on
here. This is not a Googlegroup. This is a Usenet newsgroup, of
which there are tens of thouands. Usenet has been around for
decades, well before the existence of either the Web or Google.
"Googlegroups" is just Google's way of connecting you to Usenet,
and Google has no control whatsoever over the content of the
postings to Usenet (although, strictly speaking, it could monitor
postings being made by Googlegroup users).

There are Usenet newgroups that are moderated, and all psoting go
through desiganted moderators who basically censor them to ensure
relevant content and and lack of vituperativeness. But the vast
majority of newsgroups are unmoderated. The moderated newsgroups
tend to be a bit dull and boring, but usually do have good
information about a subject, the postings haveing been vetted to
assure it. The vast majority of newsgroups are unmoderated and
are more ree-wheeling. Postings sometimes veer off topic, and
some of the off-topic threads are the most interesting. It's
considered bad form to make an off-topic post de novo, but
threads sometimes take a turn off-topic simply by the fact that
so many psots become peripheral to the main topic.

There are a lot of idiots posting things for sale, or slamming a
politician in a non-political newsgroup and a lot of posters
simply appear to be raving mad. Those of us who read Usenet with
well-designed software have built-in ways of avoiding these
posters, most notably killfiles; unfortunately, Google does not
have well-designed software for reading Usenet (which it calls
Googlegroups).

I think we can grasp that the site is not monitored and still wish
that it were.
Should we _not_ complain about spam and postings by nutters?

Feel free. Do you understand the meaning of the expression
"****ing upwind"?

Once upon a time you could caomplain about someone who psoted
spam or off-topic a lot and the ISP would drop their account.
These days when so much of the dreck comes from ISPs like Google
fuggedaboutit.


--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *