Just when you thought ships couldn't get bigger

Mark O. Polo wrote:
Peri:

Never heard of a safari in a sea of grasses? Actually, did an
abbreviated visit to Tsavo NP from Mombasa a few years ago from a cruise
ship but overnight was not enough. However, be assured I did look for a
possible ship connection.

Aloha


Have a WONDERFUL time and please post your photos when you get back.

~ Peri

Thus spake Kurt Ullman :

In article ,
Ray Goldenberg wrote:

On Tue, 02 May 2006 12:39:12 GMT, "John Sisker"
wrote:

As to the so-called proper way to present copyrighted information, so now
you're telling us that Ray is in violation, but this Marco Polo was and is
not?

Hi John,

You are very confused. I post press releases. They are NOT
copyrighted and ARE intended by the publishers to be distributed. You
are posting copyrighted material which is the publisher/writer's
property. I & Marco post a link to the copyrighted material. There
is a big difference in that you violate a copyright and I do not.

Technically they ARE copyrighted, under US Law. However, with press
releases there is an understanding that, by their nature, the copyright
is waived. I know I am anal retentive about this.. sorry.

Berne Convention. In fact, anything "published" is copyright
protected. That view has been held to the extent that posts to the
Internet (like this one) appear to be protected. But quotation with
proper citation for purposes of commentary, review or editorial in
nature are permitted. So you can quote me and filet me, but only with
attribution. You can't go off and just republish my comments.
--
dillon

I didn't climb to the top of the
food chain to become a vegetarian.

"Charles" wrote in message
d...
In article , RichC
wrote:

Charles, What is the proper way to post a copyrighted article in this
NG.
Should the author be given credit first? Just wondering since lot of
folks
do it.

There is no proper way to post an entire copyrighted article without
permission from the copyright holder. In this case the Los Angelos
Times. If they gave permission then they would want credit for the
author and the publication.

If you see an interesting article, if they have published it to their
website, you what you can do is post a link to the article. That is you
can post the url the Newsgroup.

--
Charles

I never knew we had copyright police on this NG. I want to see any
information of interest no matter where it comes from.

Robert

In article , Robert
wrote:

I never knew we had copyright police on this NG. I want to see any
information of interest no matter where it comes from.

The information can be provided without violating copyright. Posting
the link (url) to the article. Copying the article is wrong. The sleeze
not only copied the article, he lied about getting it from the trades
and gave no attibution to the source or credit to the author.

He is also violating the Acceptable Use Policy of his ISP.
From the Earthlink AUP:

"i.Copyright or trademark infringement. Using the Services to transmit
any material (by email, uploading, posting, or otherwise) that
infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other
proprietary rights of any third party, including, but not limited to,
the unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, the digitization and
distribution of photographs from magazines, books, or other copyrighted
sources, and the unauthorized transmittal of copyrighted software.
EarthLink is registered under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of
1998."

Probably every ISP has the same policy. I would hate to see anyone lose
their account or get in trouble with the law because they want to
provide information when they can simply do it right by posting an url.
Some people don't know about copyright or their ISP'S policies. I think
it is good to remind everyone in the newsgroup so they don't do it out
of ignorance.The info can still be provided by posting the url.

Sisker is not doing it out of ignorance, he is a spammer and a sleeze.

--
Charles

On Wed, 03 May 2006 06:14:13 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article , Robert
wrote:

I never knew we had copyright police on this NG. I want to see any
information of interest no matter where it comes from.

The information can be provided without violating copyright. Posting
the link (url) to the article. Copying the article is wrong. The sleeze
not only copied the article, he lied about getting it from the trades
and gave no attibution to the source or credit to the author.


Sisker is not doing it out of ignorance, he is a spammer and a sleeze.

Not a big Sisker fan, but if he is actually getting the stories from
an actual trade source, he may NOT be able to link to them without
giving you his ID & password.

Just because something is published in the Tampa Bay Penny Saver
doesn't mean that it was the ONLY place that it was published. Many
stories go out over the wires, are syndicated, or are distributed via
other means to publications throughout the world.


Reclining Buddha

The Original Couch Potato!

In article , Reclining
Buddha wrote:

Not a big Sisker fan, but if he is actually getting the stories from
an actual trade source, he may NOT be able to link to them without
giving you his ID & password.

Just because something is published in the Tampa Bay Penny Saver
doesn't mean that it was the ONLY place that it was published. Many
stories go out over the wires, are syndicated, or are distributed via
other means to publications throughout the world.

You should not believe Sisker's mumbo jumbo claims about where he got
it unless he proves it.

In any case even if a story goes over the "wires" or is syndicated or
reprinted, it still requires permission and an attribution of the
origional source to copy it.

--
Charles

"Dillon Pyron" wrote in message
...

Berne Convention. In fact, anything "published" is copyright
protected. That view has been held to the extent that posts to the
Internet (like this one) appear to be protected. But quotation with
proper citation for purposes of commentary, review or editorial in
nature are permitted. So you can quote me and filet me, but only with
attribution. You can't go off and just republish my comments.
--
dillon

Dillon,

My dad was the only lawyer in the family so I'll ask you.

Are you saying that any time we answer your post and quote you we are only
legally correct if we show that you were the person who wrote the original
note?

If so, I am glad that I gave you credit for your brilliant post.
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

(* _ *)

In article ,
Reclining Buddha wrote:
giving you his ID & password.

Just because something is published in the Tampa Bay Penny Saver
doesn't mean that it was the ONLY place that it was published. Many
stories go out over the wires, are syndicated, or are distributed via
other means to publications throughout the world.

Most of which are covered by copyright no matter how they are
distributed. Associated Press, for instance, copyrihgts everything and
then licenses its use to their members. Same for most syndicates, etc.

Thus spake "Dick G" dickdotgoldhaber@gmaildotcom :

"Dillon Pyron" wrote in message
.. .

Berne Convention. In fact, anything "published" is copyright
protected. That view has been held to the extent that posts to the
Internet (like this one) appear to be protected. But quotation with
proper citation for purposes of commentary, review or editorial in
nature are permitted. So you can quote me and filet me, but only with
attribution. You can't go off and just republish my comments.
--
dillon

Dillon,

My dad was the only lawyer in the family so I'll ask you.

Are you saying that any time we answer your post and quote you we are only
legally correct if we show that you were the person who wrote the original
note?

That is my understanding. However, enforcement is another issue.

BUT, I know of at least one complaint that was settled out of court
involving Deja News and the archiving of Usenet posts.

Deja was based in Austin. I have all sorts of juicy stuff about them,
I was project manager for a development project that never was fully
developed.


If so, I am glad that I gave you credit for your brilliant post.

Brilliant? I'd say more like BS.
--
dillon

I didn't climb to the top of the
food chain to become a vegetarian.

Ray Goldenberg wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:35:48 -0400, Peri
wrote:

Wow! I didn't know there were safari CRUISES vbg!!

Hi Peri,

Several cruise lines combine safari/cruises. Check it out with your
favorite travel agent. ;+)

I concur! Check with any agent who does NOT SPAM newsgroups.

BOYCOTT BUSINESSES THAT RUDELY SPAM REC.TRAVEL.CRUISE


Ray Goldieberg Spammer Extraordinaire NOT