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James Robinson wrote:
You don't think a train filled with people involved in a derailment
wouldn't attract significant attention, given all the media focus when
there is an accident?

In the USA, Amtrak derailments are common place and attract just a mention in
the national newscasts. The terrorists would have to warn of bombs on tracks
in advance so that when it happens, the media would go into a terrorist frienzie.

But if there were a new york subway derailment or fire, people would
immediatly suspect terrorism.

The real question is whether Al Queda want to keep Bush regime in power or
not. If they make an attack against the USA between now and the election, it
would influence the outcome.

But I am not sure how. Would americans wake and and see that all the measures
the Bush regime has done did nothing to protect them, or would they fall back
into the protective custody of their Bush "father figure" who would tell
americans to trust him and that he would work even harder to protect them from
the evil doers ?

My guess is that an attack now on the USA would result in the Bush regime
sending more troups to Iraq and finding some sort of way to tell americans
that this is to prevent further attacks against the USA.

nobody wrote:
AJC wrote:

even I'm surprised that you seem to think there are 'cross-Atlantic'
trains. There aren't.


http://www.atlantictunnel.com

If it has a web site, it *must* be real.

One must also consider that a train could easily carry 600-800 passengers. The
Paris Lyons link would require A380s at greater than hourly frequencies to
handle the loads.


TGV does it in 2 hours, why would you fly?

(I work for the former owner of the tgv.com domain name... when it
referred to Two Guys and a VAX) )

It makes you hate terrorists and their causes... Terrorism in the long
run will have negative impact. Note who the most vociferous opponents
of Fourteen year old suicide bombers are now...

Tim K

"Hatunen" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 09:47:44 -0700, Ramon Miquel
wrote:


You seem to be fixated on high-speed trains. However, the attack that
did take place was on commuter trains. I was in NYC last week. It
seems
awfully easy to put a few bombs on a subway train, make them explode
in
a tunnel and kill who knows how many people. No need to target high
speen trains.

The point of terrorism is to terrorize. Destroy a high speed
train and most people will get a shiver, shrug their shoulders,
and avoid taking high speed trains. But people have a much harder
time avoiding commuter trains and Metros since their livelihood
depends on it, so you have a population in fear of the very
trains they must ride every day.

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Wolfgang Schwanke schrieb:
The big advantage of TGV/ICE/Shinkansen type trains is that they're
compatible with conventional rail. They can stop at existing stations, use
existing conventional tracks on their way out of a city. No costs there.
They only need dedicated tracks outside of cities where they can speed up.
Compatibility goes both ways there too: Conventional trains (e.g. goods
trains) can use the special high speed tracks at other times.

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:35:12 +0200, Wolfgang Barth
wrote:
TGV needs its own track

AJC wrote in message . ..
It most certainly does not. Neither does Thalys or Eurostar.

The TGV like many high speed trains runs on special dedicated high
speed tracks to attain their high speed. This is due the need of a
straight track, special signalling, and some other stuff for high
speed travel.

However, TGV can travel in ordinary track (like near a station or a
turnout or a junction), just it would be running in around the same
speed as the average train.


It should be noted though that the Shinkansen runs on a quite
different track than most of the train of the Japan, it runs in 1435
mm gauge tracks instead of the 1067 mm gauge that is the standard for
the whole country. This means that new tracks, new platform, new
station (like Shin Yokohama), and so on needs to sepcially built for
the Shinkansen. Of course, different tracks and different gauge means
that while it can't be mixed with regular traffic, it also means that
regular traffic won't interfere with Shinkansen traffic.

Considering that the Shinkansen runned in the 1435 mm gauge instead of
other special gauge, this begged the question if the Shinkansen is
really truly a wholly Japanese invention (the Japanese is not known
for innovation, they just known for copying).

--==++AJC++==--

Following up to James Robinson

Note the *three* separate attempts at hitting high-speed rail in Europe
in the last few weeks (the Spanish bomb, the French extortion attempt,
and the German derailing try). All low-dollar, minimal effort,
high-return operations.

Again, my question. Why wouldn't other terror groups have taken
advantage of that, if things are so easy to achieve an end result.

Its worth noting that even adding in terrorist casualties its
still much safer in a train than in a car.

Were we to stop using trains to defeat terrorism, it would just
move somewhere else where groups of people are together until we
just hid alone in our homes.
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:10:38 +0100, The Reids wrote:

Were we to stop using trains to defeat terrorism, it would just
move somewhere else where groups of people are together until we
just hid alone in our homes.

In fact, if you stopped using trains, it would mean that terrorism is defeating
you, rather. One of the keys to fight terrorism is to go on with your lives and
let intelligence handdle the terrorists (yes, intelligence - not a massive
military offensive; you must infiltrate the terrorist organizations and fight
them from within. And after you've taken care of their leaders that way, you
may later mount a military offensive to finish off any isolated pockets of
terrorists that may remain. Remember, many terrorists are terrorists because
they have never been offered a better deal, IOW, they've been brainwashed since
childhood, but the process can be reversed while they're still young enough)

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Following up to machf

In fact, if you stopped using trains, it would mean that terrorism is defeating
you, rather. One of the keys to fight terrorism is to go on with your lives and
let intelligence handdle the terrorists (yes, intelligence - not a massive
military offensive; you must infiltrate the terrorist organizations and fight
them from within. And after you've taken care of their leaders that way, you
may later mount a military offensive to finish off any isolated pockets of
terrorists that may remain. Remember, many terrorists are terrorists because
they have never been offered a better deal, IOW, they've been brainwashed since
childhood, but the process can be reversed while they're still young enough)

Exactly, the only thing I would add is to eradicate any part of
their grevances which are justified.
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