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airport security waste of money
Per Jim Davis:
Has TSA presence prevented another attack, or are the terriorists just sitting back for a while? We'll never know the answer to that. One thing that's missing in this thread is the distinction between using an airplane as a guided missile - as in the 9/11 attacks, and just blowing it up. Seems to me like the 911 type attack became obsolete almost immediately. It was predicated on the public's, airline management's, and the security system's assumption than any hijackers would hold their personal survival foremost. Suicide hijackings were unknown to the system and the public. 45 minutes or so after the first plane hit a Trade Tower, the passengers in the plane heading for DC knew about it and acted as the passengers of any succeeding plane will. To perpetrate a 9/11 type attack again, it seems to me that somebody would have to figure out how to disable the crew and passengers or take over a freighter. -- PeteCresswell |
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airport security waste of money
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something reasonable something workable people who treat the traveling public like people, with courtesy and respect not like objects use money efficiently... don't spend millions on wizbang devices thinking they will be the answer... well, they are for the companies that make and install the devices. most people want to get where they are going and not cause any trouble. banks replaced people with Automatic teller machines, or ATM's to be more efficient. maybe the airport security should go the way of the self service checkout some stores are using...would it work, would it save money...maybe. kjw wrote: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:39:35 -0000, Jim Davis wrote: On Aug 11, 11:33 am, JA_MORAN wrote: so what... we have THOUSANDS of aircraft fly every day with NO PROBLEMS, we DO NOT NEED security, waste of money, makes our airline tickets cost more. every day people are CARJACKED in cities across the USA by urban "terrorists" this happens much more than airline incidents, what are we doing about the urban terrorists.... not much at all. So, are you saying to eliminate security all together? Sounds like it. |
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airport security waste of money
On Aug 12, 9:43 am, JA_MORAN wrote:
people who treat the traveling public like people, with courtesy and respect not like objects I think it would be pretty difficult to give anyone "personalized" service when there are thousands of people filing through three or four lines. use money efficiently... don't spend millions on wizbang devices thinking they will be the answer... well, they are for the companies that make and install the devices. The only "wizbang" devices I've seen over the years are the X-Rays, and metal detectors, which, as far as I know, have been there for years. A few airports have the "sniffer" machines, but they're few and far between. most people want to get where they are going and not cause any trouble. Until they're held up for some sort of violation. Then some of them become raving lunatics. banks replaced people with Automatic teller machines, or ATM's to be more efficient. maybe the airport security should go the way of the self service checkout some stores are using...would it work, would it save money...maybe. You're contradicting your "wizbang device" theory. |
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airport security waste of money
On Aug 12, 9:38 am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Jim Davis: Has TSA presence prevented another attack, or are the terriorists just sitting back for a while? We'll never know the answer to that. One thing that's missing in this thread is the distinction between using an airplane as a guided missile - as in the 9/11 attacks, and just blowing it up. Seems to me like the 911 type attack became obsolete almost immediately. It was predicated on the public's, airline management's, and the security system's assumption than any hijackers would hold their personal survival foremost. Suicide hijackings were unknown to the system and the public. 45 minutes or so after the first plane hit a Trade Tower, the passengers in the plane heading for DC knew about it and acted as the passengers of any succeeding plane will. To perpetrate a 9/11 type attack again, it seems to me that somebody would have to figure out how to disable the crew and passengers or take over a freighter. -- PeteCresswell Most definately. I've said for a long time now, that the 9/11 style was a one time thing. What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay, wrapped with duct tape? If I get caught on the street with a tiny zip lock bag full of powdered sugar, I'll be arrested for carring a "look alike" drug. Were these people arrested for carring a "look alike" bomb? Or were they sent on their merry way? |
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On Aug 12, 9:02 am, Jim Davis wrote:
What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay, wrapped with duct tape? The story about the "ice pack" lady can be found at http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1 It says "Security officers then took her to the bowels of the San Diego airport for three hours of questioning by airport police and others." After her incarecertion in the TSA dungeon, she probably missed her flight. When she expressed her gratitude for the hospitality and the enhanced interrogation expereince, they told her "Tough Sh*t, A&&hole." |
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On Aug 12, 12:20 pm, " wrote:
On Aug 12, 9:02 am, Jim Davis wrote: What I woud like to know is, what happened to the people who tried to board with the "cheese bombs" and the ice packs filled with clay, wrapped with duct tape? The story about the "ice pack" lady can be found athttp://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1 It says "Security officers then took her to the bowels of the San Diego airport for three hours of questioning by airport police and others." After her incarecertion in the TSA dungeon, she probably missed her flight. When she expressed her gratitude for the hospitality and the enhanced interrogation expereince, they told her "Tough Sh*t, A&&hole." Thanks for posting the link. I hadn't seen it before. I'm sitting here chuckling to myself and wondering, why did she keep on repairing these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely could have replaced them when they went bad. In the age of plastic explosives, and the packs filled with clay, I can understand why they were questioned. Although the procedure for investigating the incident is going to be another one of those "2 sided" deals. I tried a few searches for the 'cheese bomb" incident, but nothing was found on how they investigated it. |
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On Aug 12, 11:05 am, Jim Davis wrote:
I'm... ....wondering, why did she keep on repairing these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely could have replaced them when they went bad. She fixed them (with clear tape, not the duct tape that TSA claimed). They still worked, so they had not gone bad. She probably had traveled with these many times before without incident. Her frugal attitude is commendable, and should not be mocked. How she chooses to spend her money is her business, and it is arrogant and elitist to say she should become another wasteful member of the throw-away society. |
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On Aug 12, 1:47 pm, " wrote:
On Aug 12, 11:05 am, Jim Davis wrote: I'm... ....wondering, why did she keep on repairing these things for over 15 years? Between her and her son, they surely could have replaced them when they went bad. She fixed them (with clear tape, not the duct tape that TSA claimed). They still worked, so they had not gone bad. She probably had traveled with these many times before without incident. Her frugal attitude is commendable, and should not be mocked. How she chooses to spend her money is her business, and it is arrogant and elitist to say she should become another wasteful member of the throw-away society. I'm not mocking the lady. It's just very unusual to hear of an item like that, to be saved for so many years. |
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airport security waste of money
John wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:37:40 -0000, Jim Davis wrote: On Aug 10, 2:14 am, JA_MORAN wrote: airport security as it is now is a big waste of money... you have people who are inconsiderate, poorly trained, have poor work ethic and don't care. they need to keep in mind that they are dealing with people not objects. InVision, General Electric and other companies that make security equipment are making out like bandits while the taxpayer, as always is getting taken to hte cleaners... I wonder who got paid how much cash to make things like they are now... makes no sense, costs too much, big waste of time and money I know people who have had items in carryon bags that should have been found but did not get so on several occasions... in htis case it was a waste of time and money. So far there have been no successiful terrorist acts. If a terrorist gets past the TSA and is successiful, we can all raise hell. Until then, you have nothing solid to complain about. Refresh our memory. How many terrorist acts did TSA stop? How many people were shot that were NOT dangerous? |
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