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Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:49:13 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician
wrote: NZ and Oz are currently running headlong towards the US system, despite it being quite clear it's a lousy direction to go. We're not, actually. At least, not in Oz. I agree about the US system, but we're not heading towards it at all, not even slowly. Ours will continue to go through changes as governments change, but for all it's faults - I'm bloody glad I'm a citizen here. I have interesting blood; consequently I read and post on several medical newsgroups and email lists. I can't fault the wealth of the US research establishment and the brilliance of the US technical and research expertise, but if I do eventually need to travel there for treatment (to a top Australian specialist - in Texas:-) I'll need to sell my house and everything else I own first. For those who live there who aren't wealthy the health insurance system appears to be a nightmare and the cost of medications is horrendous. Especially if they are unemployed. If the NICE guidelines on self-management of diabetes within the NHS system are anything to judge it by - I'm very grateful I'm not under that system. Similar comments apply, for slightly different reasons, to Canada and Germany. Everything has a price; free health care isn't. When you accept state subsidisation you accept State decisions on what is good for your health; too often those decisions become affected too much by cost-benefit rather than medical benefit. The blend of State and private in the Australian system, with all it's faults (particularly in the country towns), is still better than my international friends have described to me in any other country. That doesn't mean it can't be improved and that we don't need to fight locally to prevent erosion of benefits - but I'm definitely happy to be here. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ |
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Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
Alan S wrote: On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:49:13 +0200, Deeply Filled Mortician wrote: NZ and Oz are currently running headlong towards the US system, despite it being quite clear it's a lousy direction to go. We're not, actually. At least, not in Oz. I agree about the US system, but we're not heading towards it at all, not even slowly. Ours will continue to go through changes as governments change, but for all it's faults - I'm bloody glad I'm a citizen here. I have interesting blood; consequently I read and post on several medical newsgroups and email lists. I can't fault the wealth of the US research establishment and the brilliance of the US technical and research expertise, but if I do eventually need to travel there for treatment (to a top Australian specialist - in Texas:-) I'll need to sell my house and everything else I own first. For those who live there who aren't wealthy the health insurance system appears to be a nightmare and the cost of medications is horrendous. Especially if they are unemployed. If the NICE guidelines on self-management of diabetes within the NHS system are anything to judge it by - I'm very grateful I'm not under that system. Similar comments apply, for slightly different reasons, to Canada and Germany. Everything has a price; free health care isn't. When you accept state subsidisation you accept State decisions on what is good for your health; too often those decisions become affected too much by cost-benefit rather than medical benefit. And when you have a private system based on employment you accept Insurance company decisions concerning how little they can manage to approve. The blend of State and private in the Australian system, with all it's faults (particularly in the country towns), is still better than my international friends have described to me in any other country. That doesn't mean it can't be improved and that we don't need to fight locally to prevent erosion of benefits - but I'm definitely happy to be here. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message oups.com... Collapse of NHS system pushed dentist to take her own life' PJ Life expectancy in the UK is over 80 years Life expectancy in the US is only 76 years. BJ Foster What should we conclude from your figures and what is the source of your figures? snip all very interesting but 2006 figures US 46th highest life expectancy, Australia 9th, NZ 32nd, UK 37th https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications.../2102rank.html |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:49:29 +1000, "dechucka"
wrote: "PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message roups.com... Collapse of NHS system pushed dentist to take her own life' PJ Life expectancy in the UK is over 80 years Life expectancy in the US is only 76 years. BJ Foster What should we conclude from your figures and what is the source of your figures? snip all very interesting but 2006 figures US 46th highest life expectancy, Australia 9th, NZ 32nd, UK 37th https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications.../2102rank.html Interesting top 20: Rank Country Life expectancy at birth (years) 1 Andorra 83.51 2 Macau 82.19 3 San Marino 81.71 4 Singapore 81.71 5 Hong Kong 81.59 6 Japan 81.25 7 Sweden 80.51 8 Switzerland 80.51 9 Australia 80.5 10 Guernsey 80.42 11 Iceland 80.31 12 Canada 80.22 13 Cayman Islands 80.07 14 Italy 79.81 15 Gibraltar 79.8 16 France 79.73 17 Monaco 79.69 18 Liechtenstein 79.68 19 Spain 79.65 20 Norway 79.54 Take out the tiny principalities, small islands and city-states like Hong Kong and Macao and the top 25 becomes: Rank Country Life expectancy at birth (years) 1 Japan 81.25 2 Sweden 80.51 3 Switzerland 80.51 4 Australia 80.5 5 Iceland 80.31 6 Canada 80.22 7 Italy 79.81 8 France 79.73 9 Spain 79.65 10 Norway 79.54 11 Israel 79.46 12 Greece 79.24 13 Austria 79.07 14 Netherlands 78.96 15 New Zealand 78.81 16 Germany 78.8 17 Belgium 78.77 18 United Kingdom 78.54 19 Finland 78.5 20 Jordan 78.4 21 Bosnia and Herzegovina 78 22 United States 77.85 23 Cyprus 77.82 24 Denmark 77.79 25 Ireland 77.73 Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ |
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Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:46:11 -0400, "Frank F. Matthews"
wrote: Everything has a price; free health care isn't. When you accept state subsidisation you accept State decisions on what is good for your health; too often those decisions become affected too much by cost-benefit rather than medical benefit. And when you have a private system based on employment you accept Insurance company decisions concerning how little they can manage to approve. Agreed. I have both state and private. Cheers, Alan, Australia -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:37:58 GMT, Alan S wrote:
Take out the tiny principalities, small islands and city-states like Hong Kong and Macao and the top 25 becomes: Rank Country Life expectancy at birth (years) snip 21 Bosnia and Herzegovina 78 22 United States 77.85 23 Cyprus 77.82 Yeah! Take THAT! In your FACE, Cyprus! USA! USA! USA! USA! - TR - trying out to be a Republican. |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
"PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message oups.com... Collapse of NHS system pushed dentist to take her own life' PJ Life expectancy in the UK is over 80 years Life expectancy in the US is only 76 years. In reality the measure of the effectiveness of any health system is the infant mortality rate According to the CIA fact book the UK infant mortality rate is about 25% lower then the rate in the USA... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
On 6/04/07 11:09, in article , "William
Black" wrote: "PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message oups.com... Collapse of NHS system pushed dentist to take her own life' PJ Life expectancy in the UK is over 80 years Life expectancy in the US is only 76 years. In reality the measure of the effectiveness of any health system is the infant mortality rate According to the CIA fact book the UK infant mortality rate is about 25% lower then the rate in the USA... 6.43 deaths/1,000 live births for the USA 5.08 deaths/1,000 live births for the UK If you compute it in terms of the USA as the reference the UK is 21% lower. If you compute it with reference to the UK, the US is 27% higher. France does a bit better, 4.21 deaths/1,000 live births and the US comes out 53% higher compared to France. Sweden does even better with 2.76 deaths/1,000 live births The problem in the US is the variation of infant mortality rates with social class. On the Island of Manhattan the rates are (2003) http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pre...111-0827.shtml Highest IMR * Fort Greene, Brooklyn had the highest IMR in the City (11.0). Other neighborhoods with high IMRs include Jamaica East, Queens (10.3) and Tremont, the Bronx (10.2). Lowest IMR * Neighborhoods with the lowest IMRs were Flushing, Queens (2.0); Kips Bay-Yorkville (2.3), Riverside (2.3), the Lower West Side (2.8) in Manhattan; and Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (2.8). *** So between the best, around 2.0 and the worst, 11, there is a factor of 5. The rate in Cuba, which is hypersocialized is 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births, marginally lower than the USA. |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
"VainGlorious" wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:37:58 GMT, Alan S wrote: Take out the tiny principalities, small islands and city-states like Hong Kong and Macao and the top 25 becomes: Rank Country Life expectancy at birth (years) snip 21 Bosnia and Herzegovina 78 22 United States 77.85 23 Cyprus 77.82 Yeah! Take THAT! In your FACE, Cyprus! USA! USA! USA! USA! - TR - trying out to be a Republican. LOL |
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UK: Collapse of NHS leads to suicide
Make credence recognised that on Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:37:58 GMT, Alan S
has scripted: Take out the tiny principalities, small islands and city-states like Hong Kong and Macao and the top 25 becomes: 21 Bosnia and Herzegovina 78 Who woulda thunk that? -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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