Manchester votes for congestion charge.

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I think your friend was thinking of his holiday flight, it wouldn't
have been like that, especially if a charter.

People go on holiday by train, having booked a particular train weeks in
advance. Is that suddenly not public transport?

Of course not. Can you not understand somebody not seing a charter you
cannot just get on as PT? You dont have to argue every fing tiny point
you percive is a minute criticism of PT in some minute way to the
99999th degree! I can see his thinking. If you relaxed so could you.
--
Mike
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The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I think your friend was thinking of his holiday flight, it wouldn't
have been like that, especially if a charter.

People go on holiday by train, having booked a particular train weeks in
advance. Is that suddenly not public transport?

Of course not. Can you not understand somebody not seing a charter you
cannot just get on as PT? You dont have to argue every fing tiny point
you percive is a minute criticism of PT in some minute way to the
99999th degree! I can see his thinking. If you relaxed so could you.

I can see his thinking, and it's wrong. Simple as that.

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Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

we know that (assuming it is public)

So why are you saying you can see what he means?

for **** sake.........read what I said. Call it ****ing empathy.

Swearing?

exasperation

You haven't made the case yet that there's any real difference.

Im not making a f'ing case, im just pointing out how he probably
thinks, for ****s sake.
Why is it so important to defend every tiny f'ing thing just because
its sacred f'ing PT?

I know the plane is PT, ive explained why I think he didnt see it that
way, whats the problem?
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The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

we know that (assuming it is public)

So why are you saying you can see what he means?

for **** sake.........read what I said. Call it ****ing empathy.

Swearing?

exasperation

You haven't made the case yet that there's any real difference.

Im not making a f'ing case, im just pointing out how he probably
thinks, for ****s sake.
Why is it so important to defend every tiny f'ing thing just because
its sacred f'ing PT?

I know the plane is PT, ive explained why I think he didnt see it that
way, whats the problem?

Problem? I don't have a problem. Jeez, relax.

There are trains in which are all-reserved (not in the UK, though I
suppose you could include the sleeper services.) They're public
transport, as much as a charter flight is.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I don't have a clue

you said it.

That's not like you.

Well, you dont on cars. You shouldn't get into costs of company limos
when talking of individuals.

I wasn't talking about individuals- I was talking about the costs of a
BMW 7!

are you being intentionally obtuse? you were talking about individual
travelers car v train. Only company execs use BMW7s, usually with a
chauffeur.
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Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I think his friend regards a holiday flight you book in advance
(probably a charter) isn't his idea of PT, he probably sees PT as
something you can just turn up for. clear?

Yes. So, given that most of my trips to London are prebooked on specific
trains, does that mean it's not PT?

of course not.

Sounds like this guy doesn't know
what he's talking about...

groan, WE KNOW THAT. IM EXPLAINING WHERE HE FING WENT WRONG. IS IT SO
HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
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The Reid wrote:

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I don't have a clue

you said it.

That's not like you.

Well, you dont on cars. You shouldn't get into costs of company limos
when talking of individuals.

I wasn't talking about individuals- I was talking about the costs of a
BMW 7!

are you being intentionally obtuse?

No, you are.

you were talking about individual
travelers car v train. Only company execs use BMW7s, usually with a
chauffeur.

I mentioned that part as a joke, for goodness sake. That's what the
smiley was there for. I also mentioned the average cost of a car.

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http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007

Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

I can see his thinking, and it's wrong. Simple as that.

we knew that from the start! Christ!!!!
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Following up to (David Horne) wrote:

There are trains in which are all-reserved (not in the UK, though I
suppose you could include the sleeper services.) They're public
transport, as much as a charter flight is.

I'm explaining *****where he went wrong****
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Mike
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Martin wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:24:45 +0100, (David Horne) wrote:

Andy Pandy wrote:

"Martin" wrote in message
...
some of the primary reasons people dont use public transport
are
because its public, less flexible and less comfortable than a
car.

And in a lot of cases, more expensive.

i think thats true of trains, but its not why *I* dont use it.

It depends - you can get good deals on the trains but it's rarely
cheaper for 4 of us to travel by train than it is to drive.

Once you own a car.

No, total cost. My car costs about 30p/mile taking into account *all*
costs.

But the average cost of a car is over £5000 a year.

I used to get an allowance of about EUR 50 cent/km allowance. It didn't cover
the cost of running even a Fiesta.

It might cover the ford focus on 12,000 miles a year!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
http://www.davidhorne.net - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Ex-Pres. Blair- May, 2007