orange juice in England

Marie Lewis wrote:

In article , James Silverton
writes
I must agree that I
regard a reasonable serving of orange juice as about 8oz

Reasonable for whom? 4 oz is reasonable for me.
--
Marie Lewis

Reason for such small "rations" of OJ is that you simply don't get what
you pay for in the UK. I know, I live here.

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wrote in message ...
Another thread was discussing the availability of orange juice at
breakfast in English hotels.

Leaving aside the issue of refills, it has struck me that OJ in English
hotels/B&Bs is often supplied in very small glasses compared with, say,
milk or Coke. It occurred to me tonight that this could be a hangover from
the period of rationing during and after WWII when oranges were extremely
scarce in England.

Plausible?

OJ is somewhat more available now in Europe, particularly in the food
markets than in the 60's but availability continues to be a problem
in the larger hotels for reasons I cannot comprehend particularly in
UK and Germany.

Back in the 60's I figured it was a hangover from the days it was an
expensive imported delicacy in the UK and Germany while it was so
readily available in the US since it is home grown in CA and FL. Don't
understand why it continues
to be such a big deal in some places paricularly in larger hotels in
21st century. Maybe more understandable in UK and their reputation for
disinterest in food and food preparation but not understandable in
Germany for that reason.

Not problem now for me. I just go to the market and buy it there and
chuckle to
myself when I see the big deal about it in some hotel breakfast rooms.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

Another thread was discussing the availability of orange juice at
breakfast in English hotels.

Leaving aside the issue of refills, it has struck me that OJ in English
hotels/B&Bs is often supplied in very small glasses compared with, say,
milk or Coke. It occurred to me tonight that this could be a hangover from
the period of rationing during and after WWII when oranges were extremely
scarce in England.

Plausible?

It's not just the UK, OJ glasses are pretty tiddly afairs just about
everywhere I have stayed.
--
Tim.

If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.

In article ,
(Hatunen) wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Another thread was discussing the availability of orange juice at
breakfast in English hotels.

Leaving aside the issue of refills, it has struck me that OJ in
English hotels/B&Bs is often supplied in very small glasses compared
with, say, milk or Coke. It occurred to me tonight that this could be
a hangover from the period of rationing during and after WWII when
oranges were extremely scarce in England.

Plausible?

It's the traditional juice glass, once widely used in the US,
too. Even before WW2. Orange juice used to be a lot harder to
come by and relatively expensive. When I was a tad you got orange
juice by squeezing oranges, a tedious job at best; the little
juice glass was just the right size.

Makes sense.

In article ,
nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.com (nightjar) wrote:


wrote in message
...
Another thread was discussing the availability of orange juice at
breakfast in English hotels.

Leaving aside the issue of refills, it has struck me that OJ in
English
hotels/B&Bs is often supplied in very small glasses compared with,
say,
milk or Coke. It occurred to me tonight that this could be a hangover
from
the period of rationing during and after WWII when oranges were
extremely
scarce in England.

Plausible?

It would be rude to offer a huge tumbler of liquid that some people
might
have difficulty lifting or holding. It is much better to supply a
smaller
glass and a facility to keep topping it up.

Ever heard of a happy medium?

Following up to JB

I find it a somewhat yucky idea -- but if the goal is caffeine in the
morning, it is not really different from a sugared cup of coffee

Except that a cup of coffee has between 1 and 4 times as much caffeine as
an equal serving of Coke, depending on the roast, brewing method, etc.

how does it compare for sugar?
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Following up to Tim Challenger

It's not just the UK, OJ glasses are pretty tiddly afairs just about
everywhere I have stayed.

how come this thread didn't go down the line:-

1. US have bigger glasses
2. Its because US eat to much
3 Americans are fat
4 Brits are drunk

Are we getting fed up slagging each other off?
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Reid wrote:
Following up to JB

I find it a somewhat yucky idea -- but if the goal is caffeine in the
morning, it is not really different from a sugared cup of coffee

Except that a cup of coffee has between 1 and 4 times as much caffeine as
an equal serving of Coke, depending on the roast, brewing method, etc.

how does it compare for sugar?

That would depend on how you drink it. Although it would be hard to get as much
sugar in your coffee as you find in coke.

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In article ,
nightjar@insert my surname here.uk.com (nightjar) wrote:


wrote in message
...
Another thread was discussing the availability of orange juice at
breakfast in English hotels.

Leaving aside the issue of refills, it has struck me that OJ in
English
hotels/B&Bs is often supplied in very small glasses compared with,
say,
milk or Coke. It occurred to me tonight that this could be a hangover
from
the period of rationing during and after WWII when oranges were
extremely
scarce in England.

Plausible?

It would be rude to offer a huge tumbler of liquid that some people
might
have difficulty lifting or holding. It is much better to supply a
smaller
glass and a facility to keep topping it up.

Ever heard of a happy medium?

I consider the glasses I usually get in hotels to be a happy medium. A third
to a half of a pint of juice, in a glass, weighs around half a pound, which
is a comfortable weight for most people to pick up with one hand and about
as much as I would choose to drink.

Colin Bignell

James Silverton muttered....



Orange juice was fairly readily available as a concentrate in Britain
during the war

That's quite interesting, and probably a surprise to many Brits. Just
where were the deep freezes in which it was kept? Basement? Bombshelters?

Likely, frozen concentrated orange juice owes its development to WWII, but
the commercial product was not widely available until sometime after the
war. As late as 1962, canned orange juice was the only sort available in
much of Western Europe (aside from fresh oranges). Even midlevel non-
luxury hotels served the nasty canned stuff. When "Tang" was introduced, a
couple of European friends had me bring a suitcase full over (along with
the then unobtainable (except smuggled out of US PXs) in WEurope "Gilette
Super Blue Blades".


tho' fresh oranges were not always available. I must
agree that I regard a reasonable serving of orange juice as about 8oz
and that tends to be more than one gets in Europe unless having a
buffet breakfast. Coke, AFAIK or remember, was not available to the
general populace during the war. An enduring memory is finding it on
sale in London in 1945!

The greatest culture shock for Americans traveling in Europe in the late
50s/early 60s was the discovery that the $ .05 or $ .10 Coke cost at least
a buck across the pond, but that "civilian" Winstons or Marlboros at $ .35
at home (or the military ones at a dime on the ship) were the equivalent of
$1.50 in US currency (and much more easily convertible) as tips or taxi
fare, almost the same as a 1000 lira note in Rome.

Bought "in bond" in Gib, Johnny Walker Red Label was a $1.00 an Imp. quart,
but 2000 lira, over $3.00 a drink (anda small one at that) on the Via
Veneto.

.....but then my '64 VW was $970 at the plant in Wolfsburg.

TMO