European food cultures

The Reids wrote:

Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?

At the risk that this is just a snapshot: Iam sitting in my garden in
the Munich suburbs and just had some wonderful salmon spaghetti with a
glass of buttermilk :-)

My cellar accomodates changing beer specialities as well as some bottles
of red Bordeaux (for myself) and other wines (for guests), even if I
think the old saying

+-------------------------------------------------------+
| Wine is the stuff you drink when the beer is all gone |
+-------------------------------------------------------+

contains some truth for myself.

Je"Southern Bavaria - Beer; Northern Bavaria (Franconia) - Wine"ns
--
POTIVS AMICVM QVAM DICTVM PERDERE

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
The Reids wrote:

Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".

Depends whose household!
Yes, these days I think such "cultures" are becoming less relevant,
what with increased availability of exotic food and changing
agriculture. Loads of Brits eat rice and pasta. Go to a pub for a meal
and you'll get asked "Chips or rice with that?" very often.


We almost never have potatoes as the main carbohydrate in a meal. I
use
them quite a bit, in stews, curries etc. (yesterday in a Tortilla),

Chips I suppose still keep the potato dominant to some extent. But I
agree it's rare to have them as the only carb (chip butties, lasagne
and chips anyone?).


also
as accompaniments with rice- but rarely the main thing. I suppose the
potato probably still dominates in the UK, but I wonder if that isn't
changing...

Mention "potato" to me and I think tasteless boiled things beloved of
school caterers. (Love the baked and roasted ones though). Ditto
"cabbage". Certainly in the last 20 years or so there's been a massive
move away from these old staples. Many people in Britain under 40 have
come to view old-style British food (shoe-leather meat; potatoes, peas
and cabbage boiled to death etc) with the same distaste as Continentals
long held. Can't say that's a bad thing.



--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

As far as drinks go, here the old boundaries still more or less exist.
Beer: Britain, Ireland, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden
plus parts of France near German and Belgian borders.
Wine: Spain, Italy, rest of France, Greece
Also whisky in Scotland and Ireland and cider in a few enclaves (SW
England, parts of N Spain and France).
Switzerland is the one that's hard to call.

Edmund

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
The Reids wrote:

Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".

Depends whose household!
Yes, these days I think such "cultures" are becoming less relevant,
what with increased availability of exotic food and changing
agriculture. Loads of Brits eat rice and pasta. Go to a pub for a meal
and you'll get asked "Chips or rice with that?" very often.


We almost never have potatoes as the main carbohydrate in a meal. I
use
them quite a bit, in stews, curries etc. (yesterday in a Tortilla),

Chips I suppose still keep the potato dominant to some extent. But I
agree it's rare to have them as the only carb (chip butties, lasagne
and chips anyone?).


also
as accompaniments with rice- but rarely the main thing. I suppose the
potato probably still dominates in the UK, but I wonder if that isn't
changing...

Mention "potato" to me and I think tasteless boiled things beloved of
school caterers. (Love the baked and roasted ones though). Ditto
"cabbage". Certainly in the last 20 years or so there's been a massive
move away from these old staples. Many people in Britain under 40 have
come to view old-style British food (shoe-leather meat; potatoes, peas
and cabbage boiled to death etc) with the same distaste as Continentals
long held. Can't say that's a bad thing.



--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

As far as drinks go, here the old boundaries still more or less exist.
Beer: Britain, Ireland, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden
plus parts of France near German and Belgian borders.
Wine: Spain, Italy, rest of France, Greece
Also whisky in Scotland and Ireland and cider in a few enclaves (SW
England, parts of N Spain and France).
Switzerland is the one that's hard to call.

Edmund

The Reids wrote:
Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".
Italy is I suppose a wheat and wine culture.
Spain, I cant decide, certainly wine.
France: potato and wine?
Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?


Potato: http://www.dpw.wageningen-ur.nl/eapr/links.htm

The Reids wrote:
Ireland and UK are "potato and beer cultures".
Italy is I suppose a wheat and wine culture.
Spain, I cant decide, certainly wine.
France: potato and wine?
Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?


Potato: http://www.dpw.wageningen-ur.nl/eapr/links.htm

schrieb:
Beer: England, Ireland, Germany (except Rhine region), Belgium,
Netherlands, Denmark, Czech Republic

Wine: Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Romania, Rhine region of Germany,

+ Mosel, Suebia, Franconia and Saale = wine.

Austria, Hungary, Greece

Vodka: Russia, Sweden, Finland, Poland

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
Can anyone draw a word map of the dominance of the potato, rice
or wheat through Europe, along with beer and wine?

I once saw a map of what Americans most frequently call a non-alcoholic
carbonated beverage. It was divided into regions of "Soda", "Pop", "Coke",
and other based on responses from people on the Web.

--
Donald Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net

Jens Arne Maennig wrote:

[...]
Je"Southern Bavaria - Beer; Northern Bavaria (Franconia) - Wine"ns

Northern Bavaria - Franconia, that is - has more breweries than southern
Bavaria. The highest density of breweries breweries per square km in
the world is in the Franconian region that centers on Bamberg.

Of course, this is the same Franconia that has Würzburg, a city that
once attempted to ban the brewing of beer in its territory. Beer won
out, eventually, even there.
--
dgs

Jens Arne Maennig wrote:

[...]
Je"Southern Bavaria - Beer; Northern Bavaria (Franconia) - Wine"ns

Northern Bavaria - Franconia, that is - has more breweries than southern
Bavaria. The highest density of breweries breweries per square km in
the world is in the Franconian region that centers on Bamberg.

Of course, this is the same Franconia that has Würzburg, a city that
once attempted to ban the brewing of beer in its territory. Beer won
out, eventually, even there.
--
dgs

SeverinBohnheim wrote:

schrieb:

Beer: England, Ireland, Germany (except Rhine region), Belgium,
Netherlands, Denmark, Czech Republic

Wine: Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Romania, Rhine region of Germany,

+ Mosel, Suebia, Franconia and Saale = wine.

Franconia is even more of a beer territory than a wine territory.
--
dgs