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Cruise Critic Censorship
Hi everyone,
You may have heard of this, sorry if it's a re-do. Cruise Critic is now deleting anything and everything that mentions 'Royal Champions' or an article that connects CC to a campaign where RCI is giving certain select people percs for positive post about RCI, hence their name 'Royal Champions. Cruise Critic, a very well known and used cruise forum, really seems to be doing whatever it takes to sweep this under the rug, making them look like co-horts with RCI, which really deminishes their standing with cruisers, and is giving anyone who is a 'Royal Champion' a bad name and making even them look like they are not to be trusted, even though some have been very helpful posters at CC, even before this program. Here's a link to the article in case you haven't seen or heard about this: http://www.tripso.com/columns/royal-...yal-champions/ |
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On Mar 9, 11:12*am, wrote:
Hi everyone, You may have heard of this, sorry if it's a re-do. Cruise Critic is now deleting anything and everything that mentions 'Royal Champions' or an article that connects CC to a campaign where RCI is giving certain select people *percs for positive post about RCI, hence their name 'Royal Champions. Cruise Critic, a very well known and used cruise forum, really seems to be doing whatever it takes to sweep this under the rug, making them look like co-horts with RCI, which really deminishes their standing with cruisers, and is giving anyone who is a 'Royal Champion' a bad name and making even them look like they are not to be trusted, even though some have been very helpful posters at CC, even before this program. Here's a link to the article in case you haven't seen or heard about this:http://www.tripso.com/columns/royal-...l-with-their-r... I'm not standing up for CC here, as there are times when I've found their moderation techniques to be maddening, but I don't really see the "censoring" you are talking about. I just did a keyword search of the RCI forum and retrieved a number of hits to "Royal Champion," including the involved, long-running thread begun in Feb. by a Diamond member complaining about Royal Champions and a post made today about the very article you reference. It is true that CC starred out the URL of the article. CC obliterates URLs of most external sites, so I can't really say that behavior with regard to that post constitutes censorship vs. routine practice. Diana Ball Austin, TX |
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On Mar 9, 1:46*pm, Ermalee McCauley wrote:
wrote: Hi everyone, You may have heard of this, sorry if it's a re-do. Cruise Critic is now deleting anything and everything that mentions 'Royal Champions' or an article that connects CC to a campaign where RCI is giving certain select people *percs for positive post about RCI, hence their name 'Royal Champions. Cruise Critic, a very well known and used cruise forum, really seems to be doing whatever it takes to sweep this under the rug, making them look like co-horts with RCI, which really deminishes their standing with cruisers, and is giving anyone who is a 'Royal Champion' a bad name and making even them look like they are not to be trusted, even though some have been very helpful posters at CC, even before this program. Here's a link to the article in case you haven't seen or heard about this: http://www.tripso.com/columns/royal-...l-with-their-r... I don't know how to become a Royal Champion. *I have cruised many times with Royal Caribbean and on my last one a few months ago, I had a key to the concierge lounge. *Never heard of Royal Champions until very recently. Ermalee The entire thing is that you don't "get to become" anything. They pick you. And what has set the world on fire it seems, is that more folks are finally reading the months old notes about the group. Mind you, it was a non-secret from the start. But some of the CC members got stars in their eyes, others heard about it and thought they just had to kiss-butt enough to "get there." The thing is that there was never any "there" to get. I was called personally because they, the marketing company that generated the list of people, posters, etc, knew of my website. I seem to recall some confusion, because CC couldn't fully connect RCI's marketing department with some of the members. CC had some of its members on the same Liberty of the Seas cruise I was on. Indeed, I thought it might have been because of the fact I have an account there, that they found me. Heck, I was even chatting with the posters who went on that cruise, in the CC forum on the cruise, out of my own initial confusion. The thing is, some of these people couldn't see to disclose their status as most people are taught. For the most part it was not much more than as if you won a contest you didn't know you were in. For my part, I treat the chances as boons, not entitlements. I do tend to be positive in my approach, but always say when or if something has any tie with a RC perk. But that is different from being a poster on CC or CM. I Caveat Emptor NWLB ************************************************** www.RoyalCaribbeanFan.com |
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NWLB wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:46 pm, Ermalee McCauley wrote: wrote: Hi everyone, You may have heard of this, sorry if it's a re-do. Cruise Critic is now deleting anything and everything that mentions 'Royal Champions' or an article that connects CC to a campaign where RCI is giving certain select people percs for positive post about RCI, hence their name 'Royal Champions. Cruise Critic, a very well known and used cruise forum, really seems to be doing whatever it takes to sweep this under the rug, making them look like co-horts with RCI, which really deminishes their standing with cruisers, and is giving anyone who is a 'Royal Champion' a bad name and making even them look like they are not to be trusted, even though some have been very helpful posters at CC, even before this program. Here's a link to the article in case you haven't seen or heard about this: http://www.tripso.com/columns/royal-...l-with-their-r... I don't know how to become a Royal Champion. I have cruised many times with Royal Caribbean and on my last one a few months ago, I had a key to the concierge lounge. Never heard of Royal Champions until very recently. Ermalee The entire thing is that you don't "get to become" anything. They pick you. And what has set the world on fire it seems, is that more folks are finally reading the months old notes about the group. Mind you, it was a non-secret from the start. But some of the CC members got stars in their eyes, others heard about it and thought they just had to kiss-butt enough to "get there." The thing is that there was never any "there" to get. I was called personally because they, the marketing company that generated the list of people, posters, etc, knew of my website. I seem to recall some confusion, because CC couldn't fully connect RCI's marketing department with some of the members. CC had some of its members on the same Liberty of the Seas cruise I was on. Indeed, I thought it might have been because of the fact I have an account there, that they found me. Heck, I was even chatting with the posters who went on that cruise, in the CC forum on the cruise, out of my own initial confusion. The thing is, some of these people couldn't see to disclose their status as most people are taught. For the most part it was not much more than as if you won a contest you didn't know you were in. For my part, I treat the chances as boons, not entitlements. I do tend to be positive in my approach, but always say when or if something has any tie with a RC perk. But that is different from being a poster on CC or CM. I Caveat Emptor NWLB Thanks. I rarely go to CC. it's too confusing for me. Ermalee |
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"NWLB" wrote in message ... snip CC had some of its members on the same Liberty of the Seas cruise I was on. Indeed, I thought it might have been because of the fact I have an account there, that they found me. Heck, I was even chatting with the posters who went on that cruise, in the CC forum on the cruise, out of my own initial confusion. The thing is, some of these people couldn't see to disclose their status as most people are taught. For the most part it was not much more than as if you won a contest you didn't know you were in. For my part, I treat the chances as boons, not entitlements. I do tend to be positive in my approach, but always say when or if something has any tie with a RC perk. But that is different from being a poster on CC or CM. I Caveat Emptor NWLB I was on that Liberty OTS sailing as well, but didn't learn until we were invited to one of the "neighborhood unveilings" in NYC this past year that there even was a term for what we belonged to. --Tom |
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NWLB,
What do you mean by this? "The thing is, some of these people couldn't see to disclose their status as most people are taught." Just wondering. Royal Caribbean has never 'taught' or otherwise told me to do anything. Diana |
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"peter" wrote Did RCI *promise* you anything for spreading the word? Someone close to me is on the Royal Champions list and quite a few r.t.c. people are also and if they are being directed by Royal Caribbean as to what they should post or that they would receive anything for their positive posts I have never heard of it. That said, you would be foolish to think that the cruise lines do not read r.t.c and other cruise forums. I know for a fact that some of my posts over the years have been read. I have not been asked to retract anything I wrote, but people who have been here for a few years know that some of my posts were not favorable to certain cruise lines. I also know of an agency owner (very large agency) who wrote a series of scathing critiques of one cruise line that were published... and that cruise line dumped him, would not allow him to book their cruises. And the funniest example I can remember was on a private TA discussion forum, one TA went ballistic about a certain CEO. That was supposed to be a private forum for travel agents only, but it turns out that the CEO had joined under an assumed name. His reply was polite and to the point and ended with the thought that you should never assume anything you post on a forum is private. Including this one... or Cruise Critic... or any of the others. -- George Leppla http://www.CruiseMaster.com Cruise Specials Weblog http://cruisemaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/ May 10, 2009 ALASKA http://www.cruisemaster.com/moagc4.htm January 10, 2009 Southern Caribbean http://www.cruisemaster.com/caribprin.htm October 16, 2010 OASIS http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com |
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On Mar 9, 6:32*pm, D Ball wrote:
NWLB, What do you mean by this? "The thing is, some of these people couldn't see to disclose their status as most people are taught." Just wondering. Royal Caribbean has never 'taught' or otherwise told me to do anything. Diana Diana I was simply saying in my honors English classes of High School, college, and ethics class during the graduate course work in business I took, all touched on disclosing at various points. And as for RCI, no, they have no obligation to tell you or me, or anybody anything. Mostly common sense would tell somebody not to be so dumb as to post a review on a cruise RCI provides you with, without also noting that the cruise line did so. So if people were out on CC blasting these uber-positive and glow reviews, on cruises they were offered for free, I would say people have reason to be unhappy. To Peters point, they've been totally above board in my interactions with "them." Them being RCI specifically, not the marketing firm that did any original research. My being on Liberty wasn't an offer made with any expectations in advance. Charles notes a couple of things I'll agree with. CC has a heavy hand, I know CM does as well, and I have insight from a couple of their people about how things shifted after the buy-out a year ago. The new owner is hyper sensitive to anything which could at all be considered to take away from "value" to their advertising partners. That is less the lines as it is the smaller fish. And yes, there are "Diamond" members who are livid about the Royal Champions. The thrust of the complaints I've had express tended to be that RCI was listening to RC's more than the Diamond Plus members. Some of the views are more enlightened than others, but a few views I've had passed my way sound like debutantes kvetching over somebody having the same dress. It is a big fuss over nothing. As George notes, RTC isn't private, and |
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