Americans are angry

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From: John Rennie
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:10:43 +0100
Subject: Americans are angry

The gods have made us mad wrote:


"John Rennie" wrote in message
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The gods have made us mad wrote:


"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message
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Americans are angry

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths220g10

Excerpts:

"...In the age of Obama, there is no real contractual obligation:
everything from paying back bondholders to fixing a BP penalty is,
well, ³negotiable.² When the money runs out, the law will too. Law?
There is no law other than a mandated equality of result....

.....the proverbial people seem angry. A book will have to be written
explaining how in 19 months Obama blew a 70% approval rating and is
headed for under 40% something that took Bush six years.... "



An interesting read - although, at first, I to remember who Obama
*was*....

Seriously, from a British perspective, it's been a long, long time
since we saw so little of a US President on our TV screens.

From Kennedy to Bush MKll, barely a day went by without an American
President featuring on our TV news - waging a war here, signing an
important treaty there, always in the thick of things, and always in
the UK media spotlight. so much so, that American Presidents were
more familiar to us than 75% of our own politicians.

And then came Obama. Hailed by some as Saviour, feared by others as
an Anti-Christ, it seemed certain that we would see more of this
particular President than any other.

Instead of which, it's getting to the point of "O...*who*..."

Obviously he's a man with a lot of domestic issues on his mind - but
that was ever the case for occupants of the White House, yet they
still managed to write their names indelibly in the world's history
books.

One doesn't really know whether to be grateful or disappointed that
your 44th President turned out to be a hermit



Hmm...something's wrong with your tele

.

I don't watch much telly, admittedly - but I often catch the news,
and I listen to the radio 4 news a lot, and there seldom seems to be
anything about Obama.

Where are the state visits to Russia?, the Chinese banquets in the Great
Hall Of The People? Where is the endless footage of Airforce One
winging its way around the world?, the motorcades, the razzamatazz, the
televised pomp and panoply that accompanied other US Presidents wherever
they went?

If Obama gives *one* impression, it's of being completely out of his
depth.

Name me one American President who wasn't and don't say Roosevelt.

One of the few joys of being old is that I can actually remember how
vilified Roosevelt was in his day.

Donna Evleth

Hatunen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:27:41 +0100, John Rennie
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:06:25 +0200, Donna Evleth
wrote:

From: John Rennie
Didn't deserve it on the domestic front but oh dear when it came
to dealing with Stalin he was just very weak. Why I think he was
more anti the British Empire (and Churchill) than the Soviet Union.
Of course the man was very ill and that does make a difference.
You also have to remember how isolationist America was before WWII. It was
a general atmosphere, and Roosevelt, in spite of his broader education, was
bound to get caught up in it.
My impression from reading the histories of the era was that FDR
wasn't so caught up in isolationism as that he was politically
obligated to pay due respect to it until he could find a reason
for the country to want to lose its isolationist sentiments.
Needless to say, the Axis obliged him, Japan giving a real jolt
to isolationism with respect to the Pacific, and Hitler's
gratuitous declaration of war on the USA giving a reason to join
in the fight in Europe.

A lot of FDR's pussyfooting was to avoid upsetting an
isolationist Congress, and even lend-lease had to be carefully
defended with that hose-borrowing metaphor.

Unfortunately, FDR did have a rather large ego and thought he and
Uncle Joe were buddies and Uncle Joe was just a peace-loving
dictator who really respected the independence of adjoining
neighbors. FDR also though Churchill was a drunk and
untrustworthy and trying to save the British Empire, which FDR
disdained. Not to mention that the torch of North Atlantic and
world leadership was passing from Britain to America.

It had already passed but isolationist America had
refused to acknowledge it. Yes Churchill was a drunk
not that that fault did him much harm and he was
still in the 19th century as regards the British
Empire. However Roosevelt's tactics in endeavouring
to exclude him from the cosy chats he had with Stalin
were stupid.

Since Winston persisted in caliming Uncle Joe was not to be
trusted, he was placed in the role of a Cassandra. Among the
occasional "what-ifs" of history I wonder what if FDR had lived a
few years longer would he have finally recognized Stalin for what
he was?

Perhaps it was fortuitous that Truman became president before the
war ended.


The vital decisions had already been taken in Tehran.

"The gods have made us mad" wrote in message
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"GlennR" wrote in message
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"The gods have made us mad" wrote in message
...


"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message
...
Americans are angry

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zEvleths220g10

Excerpts:


One doesn't really know whether to be grateful or disappointed that your
44th President turned out to be a hermit

coming from a limey son of a bitch who still gets on his knees for a
fat,wrinkled ass old hag, you don't have a lot of credibility there old
man,

why not go down and engage in the favorite pastime of limey losers,
reading
the tabloids about your royal hignasses,

I mean, what kind of brainpower does that take ?

ever wonder why your country is heading for 4th world status ?



No need to get upset. I think it's wonderful that you have a black
President. He matches your beaches lol!!

BTW - better start brushing up your Mandarin - you're new owners will be
there soon

in your dreams gomer, but keep dreaming about America and Americans sinking
to your level
if it makes you feel better

"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message
...
Americans are angry

We are too stupid to be angry....or too lazy. If we had a microgram of
testosterone, we wouldnt have let ourselves be drawn into the situation
that we now suffer.

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
Yes, America is angry about the BP oil spill.
And even angrier that it doesn't seem to have done a lot of damage nor
been a global catastrophe.

Blame the media for some of this. These slugs lie around waiting for
something that they can misquote or misconstrue, hoping to get some
attention from the mind dead public.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:18:46 +0100, John Rennie
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:27:41 +0100, John Rennie
wrote:

Hatunen wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:06:25 +0200, Donna Evleth
wrote:

From: John Rennie
Didn't deserve it on the domestic front but oh dear when it came
to dealing with Stalin he was just very weak. Why I think he was
more anti the British Empire (and Churchill) than the Soviet Union.
Of course the man was very ill and that does make a difference.
You also have to remember how isolationist America was before WWII. It was
a general atmosphere, and Roosevelt, in spite of his broader education, was
bound to get caught up in it.
My impression from reading the histories of the era was that FDR
wasn't so caught up in isolationism as that he was politically
obligated to pay due respect to it until he could find a reason
for the country to want to lose its isolationist sentiments.
Needless to say, the Axis obliged him, Japan giving a real jolt
to isolationism with respect to the Pacific, and Hitler's
gratuitous declaration of war on the USA giving a reason to join
in the fight in Europe.

A lot of FDR's pussyfooting was to avoid upsetting an
isolationist Congress, and even lend-lease had to be carefully
defended with that hose-borrowing metaphor.

Unfortunately, FDR did have a rather large ego and thought he and
Uncle Joe were buddies and Uncle Joe was just a peace-loving
dictator who really respected the independence of adjoining
neighbors. FDR also though Churchill was a drunk and
untrustworthy and trying to save the British Empire, which FDR
disdained. Not to mention that the torch of North Atlantic and
world leadership was passing from Britain to America.

It had already passed but isolationist America had
refused to acknowledge it. Yes Churchill was a drunk
not that that fault did him much harm and he was
still in the 19th century as regards the British
Empire. However Roosevelt's tactics in endeavouring
to exclude him from the cosy chats he had with Stalin
were stupid.

Since Winston persisted in caliming Uncle Joe was not to be
trusted, he was placed in the role of a Cassandra. Among the
occasional "what-ifs" of history I wonder what if FDR had lived a
few years longer would he have finally recognized Stalin for what
he was?

Perhaps it was fortuitous that Truman became president before the
war ended.


The vital decisions had already been taken in Tehran.

But Truman was willing to try and hold Stalin to his so-called
word. Hence the Truman Doctrine. I suppose my "what-if" is about
whether there would hae been a "Roosevelt Doctrine".

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hls wrote:
"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" wrote in message
Yes, America is angry about the BP oil spill.
And even angrier that it doesn't seem to have done a lot of damage
nor been a global catastrophe.

Blame the media for some of this. These slugs lie around waiting for
something that they can misquote or misconstrue, hoping to get some
attention from the mind dead public.

Well how else are they to put 'fury' in every headline?

Mitchell Holman wrote:
"The gods have made us mad" wrote in
:



"John Rennie" wrote in message
...
The gods have made us mad wrote:

If Obama gives *one* impression, it's of being completely out of
his depth.

Name me one American President who wasn't and don't say Roosevelt.


Perhaps they *were* out of their depth - but they were certainly good
at blagging it. They 'looked and sounded 'Presidential' - Obama
certainly doesn't look like a man who's even *pretending* to be in
charge, to me.

Poll finds Obama has already rebuilt America's global brand
Christian Science Monitor
Oct 6 2009

Step aside, Germany and France. There's a new brand
leader among world powers. Who? The good old US of A
- according to a new poll - thanks to the global
popularity of President Barack Obama.

The Anholt-GfK Roper Nation Brands Index (NBI) survey
on which countries are most admired and appreciated
around the world has been conducted annually since
2005. This year the US topped the list for the first
time, climbing six spots.

According to survey designer Simon Anholt President
Obama, whatever his trials at home, has been well-
received internationally since his election and changed
the image of the US from one that dictates to one that
consults. "What's really remarkable is that in all my
years studying national reputation, I have never seen
any country experience such a dramatic change in its
standing as we see for the United States in 2009,"

Not really a surprise, under Bush junior the reputation of the USA was at
rock bottom, it could only improve remarkably after that. If they had put a
chimp in the White House after the... er... chimp, things could only
improve.

11.8.2010 4:48, Hatunen kirjoitti:


Viititkö mennä muualle ristiinpostaamasta tätä sontaa.

Markku Grönroos wrote:
11.8.2010 4:48, Hatunen kirjoitti:


Viititkö mennä muualle ristiinpostaamasta tätä sontaa.

You've summed up our predicament in a nutshell.