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La Guardia airport is a death trap for flyers, workers
laGuardia's days are over. It's too tight, in too crowded an area, and
the runway extensions keep creating waterway problems and residential flooding, and stink up the bay by keeping water from flowing (badenuf Bob Moses submerged and stoppered up the Flushing River for the World Fair after he had deepened it for the one before - for the first one, he needed the river for navigating exhibits). Have you ever landed at LGA at a 45 degree angle? My prep school's lab (no other classroom) managed to pickup the sound of low flying airplanes (because of accoustic peculiarities of the lab and the parking lot and the neighboring apartment buildings) and drown out our teacher. Since they can't build a train to this airport, maybe they should just scrap the airport completely and send traffic to JFK. It's happened before. There used to be a Floyd Bennet Field (Brooklyn, no?). JFK can expand towards the ocean, essentially infinitely. Moreover, the entire Flushing River Valley is so much Robert Moses landfill it is the most quake-damageable part of the city (acc to laMont Doherty). Best to turn LGA into one huge convention center and strip mall. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together] |
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La Guardia airport is a death trap for flyers, workers
I agree that LGA should be closed, with the land put back as wet lands from
which it originally came from and made into a wet lands natural habitat park. The money that must be spent on improving LGA should be spent on improving rail transportation including the installation of bullet trains through the North East Corridor, New York State and perhaps to Chicago. LGA handles short and medium range flights that should could be handled high speed train service from other cities, and using SWF (Stewart Airport), once it is connected by rail to the MTA Port Jervis Line operated by Jersey transit, running trains directly through NY Penn Station to Jamaica Station and Newark Airport so that it connects to the Air Trains at both airports. The closing of LGA could be coordinated with the new commuter rail tunnel under the Hudson River to 34th Street in Manhattan where by it could be connected to the East Side Access project station being built under Grand Central Station which would connect with the LIRR, so I propose that a rail tunnel be built between the 2 projects so that electric trains could operate between Kennedy, Newark and Stewart Airports. The only necessary function of LGA in my opinion, is that many of the planes using it fly over Ricers Island Prison is punishment by disturbing its prisoners sleep at night. wrote in message ... laGuardia's days are over. It's too tight, in too crowded an area, and the runway extensions keep creating waterway problems and residential flooding, and stink up the bay by keeping water from flowing (badenuf Bob Moses submerged and stoppered up the Flushing River for the World Fair after he had deepened it for the one before - for the first one, he needed the river for navigating exhibits). Have you ever landed at LGA at a 45 degree angle? My prep school's lab (no other classroom) managed to pickup the sound of low flying airplanes (because of accoustic peculiarities of the lab and the parking lot and the neighboring apartment buildings) and drown out our teacher. Since they can't build a train to this airport, maybe they should just scrap the airport completely and send traffic to JFK. It's happened before. There used to be a Floyd Bennet Field (Brooklyn, no?). JFK can expand towards the ocean, essentially infinitely. Moreover, the entire Flushing River Valley is so much Robert Moses landfill it is the most quake-damageable part of the city (acc to laMont Doherty). Best to turn LGA into one huge convention center and strip mall. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together] |
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"Cyrus Afzali" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:17:34 +0000 (UTC), wrote: laGuardia's days are over. It's too tight, in too crowded an area, and the runway extensions keep creating waterway problems and residential flooding, and stink up the bay by keeping water from flowing (badenuf Bob Moses submerged and stoppered up the Flushing River for the World Fair after he had deepened it for the one before - for the first one, he needed the river for navigating exhibits). Have you ever landed at LGA at a 45 degree angle? My prep school's lab (no other classroom) managed to pickup the sound of low flying airplanes (because of accoustic peculiarities of the lab and the parking lot and the neighboring apartment buildings) and drown out our teacher. Since they can't build a train to this airport, maybe they should just scrap the airport completely and send traffic to JFK. It's happened before. There used to be a Floyd Bennet Field (Brooklyn, no?). JFK can expand towards the ocean, essentially infinitely. Moreover, the entire Flushing River Valley is so much Robert Moses landfill it is the most quake-damageable part of the city (acc to laMont Doherty). Best to turn LGA into one huge convention center and strip mall. It might be interesting for you to know that the largest traffic category at LGA is regional jets, which hold a maximum of 50 people. These certainly don't create crowding conditions on the ground or with the facilities, although they do contribute to sky congestion because FAA rules require the same distance limits for them as larger jets that carry twice as many people. You don't need to extend the runways either. Until about a decade ago, you regularly had 757s flying into LGA. As far as building a train to it, it can easly be done, but won't because Astoria residents won't be crazy about having their $750,000 and up homes condemned for the right of way. You could use existing freight rail for increased service, but that's not likely either. Long story short, study the airline/aviation industry before going on a crazy rant. It might also be added the Kennedy isn't on the ocean. |
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"Sancho Panza" wrote in message
... On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:17:34 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Since they can't build a train to this airport, maybe they should just scrap the airport completely and send traffic to JFK. It's happened before. There used to be a Floyd Bennet Field (Brooklyn, no?). JFK can expand towards the ocean, essentially infinitely. ... It might also be added the Kennedy isn't on the ocean. It would be once they expanded it enough to pick up the slack from closing LGA. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Stephen Sprunk" wrote in message .. . "Sancho Panza" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:17:34 +0000 (UTC), wrote: Since they can't build a train to this airport, maybe they should just scrap the airport completely and send traffic to JFK. It's happened before. There used to be a Floyd Bennet Field (Brooklyn, no?). JFK can expand towards the ocean, essentially infinitely. ... It might also be added the Kennedy isn't on the ocean. It would be once they expanded it enough to pick up the slack from closing LGA. The Five Towns area is still pretty powerful. |
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La Guardia airport is a death trap for flyers, workers
Do you realise how far out of Tokyo Narita is? I guess it was in 1988 that I saw in a New London newspaper that they wanted to make Hartford Airport be to Boston what Newark is to NYC. Normally, I'm not in favor of megaprojects that I see as boondoggles, but you have to think if it wouldn't make sence to really concentrate on BosNYWash high speed rail (I know, given how pathetic Acela is, why bother) and have one big superregional airport somewhere where there is plenty of room. I suspect this is especially relevant given the terrorist activity of recent years. Then again, having gone stir crazy on the plane, I'm baffled the SST wasn't used on the NYC-Tokyo route. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Reagan Mozart Pindus BioStrategist http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards] [Yellary Clinton & Yellalot Spitzer: Nasty Together] |
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activity of recent years. Then again, having gone stir crazy on the plane, I'm baffled the SST wasn't used on the NYC-Tokyo route. Not enough range. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Second, a massive airport would simply be another traffic hazard in an already crowded corridor. That can be debated. Right now, the multitude of very busy airports in the NYC area is also causing many ATC headaches, especially whenever the wind changes that they have to ensure that changing patterns for airport A doesn't cause collisions with traffic also changing at airports B and C. Remove one airport and it may help with that problem. (But you have to make sure that the "combined" airport has sufficient runway capacity to *really* handle the load even in bad weather). Merging LGA into JFK would also have very interesting effects with regards to overseas flights since it would make JFK a much greater/better hub. Third, I really doubt that such a massive airport could be operated efficiently. Most major airports today have enough trouble with transfers as it is. Schiphol seems to be doing a very fine job. So are other very large airports in the world. One issue with a complex such as JFK would be to have a more central management of terminals instead of giving airlines much control of "their" terminal. You'd want some central luggage management facility to which each terminal is connected to ensure fast/smooth transfers for instance. And that means equipping each terminal with the same automated systems. In other words, run JFK as one logical terminal even though it is physically made up of different buildings. I think this is a big difference between Schiphol and JFK and what makes Schiphol so much more effective. |
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La Guardia airport is a death trap for flyers, workers
"nobody" wrote in message ... "Frank F. Matthews" wrote: Second, a massive airport would simply be another traffic hazard in an already crowded corridor. That can be debated. Right now, the multitude of very busy airports in the NYC area is also causing many ATC headaches, especially whenever the wind changes that they have to ensure that changing patterns for airport A doesn't cause collisions with traffic also changing at airports B and C. Remove one airport and it may help with that problem. (But you have to make sure that the "combined" airport has sufficient runway capacity to *really* handle the load even in bad weather). Merging LGA into JFK would also have very interesting effects with regards to overseas flights since it would make JFK a much greater/better hub. Third, I really doubt that such a massive airport could be operated efficiently. Most major airports today have enough trouble with transfers as it is. Schiphol seems to be doing a very fine job. So are other very large airports in the world. One issue with a complex such as JFK would be to have a more central management of terminals instead of giving airlines much control of "their" terminal. You'd want some central luggage management facility to which each terminal is connected to ensure fast/smooth transfers for instance. And that means equipping each terminal with the same automated systems. In other words, run JFK as one logical terminal even though it is physically made up of different buildings. I think this is a big difference between Schiphol and JFK and what makes Schiphol so much more effective. Kennedy used to be so badly operated that the Port Authority hired Schilpol, giving the airport quite a lift. |
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