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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"Byker" wrote in message news https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...68956644126720 https://twitter.com/bazabazon/status...66711588331523 "Operationally, the Sukhoi Superjet has been erratic. Safety concerns with the Superjet, (Russia’s first post-Soviet passenger plane), emerged soon after its introduction in 2008. A large number of employees at the Siberia factory responsible for working on the assembly of SSJ aircraft were found to have faked their university engineering degrees." https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/1...hoi-superjets/ Oleg? |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"Byker" wrote:
"Byker" wrote in message news https://twitter.com/dimsmirnov175/st...68956644126720 https://twitter.com/bazabazon/status...66711588331523 "Operationally, the Sukhoi Superjet has been erratic. Safety concerns with the Superjet, (Russia’s first post-Soviet passenger plane), emerged soon after its introduction in 2008. A large number of employees at the Siberia factory responsible for working on the assembly of SSJ aircraft were found to have faked their university engineering degrees." https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/1...hoi-superjets/ Oleg? Boning is not guilty of THIS crime! Provide overall safety record and ditching summaries or get lost. Cheap tricks are double edge sword. They will be used against Boeing/Airbus too. -- A. Filip | I hate dying. (Dave Johnson) |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"A. Filip" wrote in message ...
Provide overall safety record and ditching summaries or get lost. OK: https://aviation-safety.net/database...rjet-100/index https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase...hp?AcType=SU95 It's kinda obvious that Moscow has pressured Russian airlines to accept the jet in lieu of 737s and A320s... |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"Jonathan" wrote in message
... Here's a video where it shows the very hard landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvcoAPLeuA I wonder if it was a maintenance issue -- something that SSJs are (in)famous for -- that prompted the emergency landing in the first place. The fire doesn't start until the second impact... |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up toWestern standards
On 5/6/2019 2:06 PM, Byker wrote:
"Jonathan"* wrote in message ... Here's a video where it shows the very hard landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmvcoAPLeuA I wonder if it was a maintenance issue -- something that SSJs are (in)famous for -- that prompted the emergency landing in the first place. The fire doesn't start until the second impact... They're saying now a lightning strike caused the emergency landing, plus the pilot didn't dump the fuel first so it was overweight on landing. And it appears the explosion was in the rear section and googling found they added extra fuel tanks in the cargo holds in the long range version trying to boost sales, making it a death trap. Sukhoi Superjet Range Boost Is Attempt To Increase Sales by Vladimir Karnozov - June 13, 2013, 11:20 AM The newest version of the Sukhoi Superjet, SSJ100-95LR, first flown i n February this year, has the suffix that is an abbreviation for Long Range, but some would argue that “Last Resort” might better describe the situation in terms of its significance to Russia’s aerospace industry. With the introduction of this new model, the famed Russian fighter house aims to come up with a globally competitive passenger jet, able to generate enough sales in the increasingly competitive 100-seat market, and match these sales with increasing production rates. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...increase-sales -- https://twitter.com/Non_Linear1 s |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"Jonathan" wrote in message ... They're saying now a lightning strike caused the emergency landing, plus the pilot didn't dump the fuel first so it was overweight on landing. And it appears the explosion was in the rear section and googling found they added extra fuel tanks in the cargo holds in the long range version trying to boost sales, making it a death trap. When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to "expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s. Sukhoi Superjet Range Boost Is Attempt To Increase Sales by Vladimir Karnozov - June 13, 2013, 11:20 AM The newest version of the Sukhoi Superjet, SSJ100-95LR, first flown in February this year, has the suffix that is an abbreviation for Long Range, but some would argue that “Last Resort” might better describe the situation in terms of its significance to Russia’s aerospace industry. With the introduction of this new model, the famed Russian fighter house aims to come up with a globally competitive passenger jet, able to generate enough sales in the increasingly competitive 100-seat market, and match these sales with increasing production rates. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...increase-sales I get the feeling that future sales to Ayatollahland will be rewarded with a windfall of "martyrs", heh, heh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPyGFQy7PPw As for the up-and-coming Irkut MS-21, I'll bet they'll keep the Pratt & Whitney engines rather than risk disasters with homegrown ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPXJ3Bg9Uxk A mid-air first-flight emergency would have been embarrassing: "The publicity engine was fired up once the jet had safely touched down, but the lack of pre-flight fanfare carried an echo of Soviet-era opacity and secrecy." https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...uccess-437836/ |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"David E. Powell" wrote in message
... On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote: When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to "expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s. The United Landing was a case of expert flying. Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the "investigation" is complete. With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner makers will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the pipeline. I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes are? The playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing Airbuses and Embraers... |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not upto Western standards
On Wed, 8 May 2019 13:44:34 -0500
"Byker" wrote: "David E. Powell" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote: When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to "expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s. The United Landing was a case of expert flying. Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the "investigation" is complete. With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner makers will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the pipeline. I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes are? The playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing Airbuses and Embraers... They're pretty much as protected as the metal fuselage machines. I suspect that this was landing a fully fueled aircraft at somewhat higher than landing speed. The video shows an initial impact and the aircraft still able to fly until the second impact where the fires broke out --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"George" wrote in message ...
They're pretty much as protected as the metal fuselage machines. I suspect that this was landing a fully fueled aircraft at somewhat higher than landing speed. The video shows an initial impact and the aircraft still able to fly until the second impact where the fires broke out Interesting read: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/q...from-lightning In the meantime, keep 'em flying, Sergei!: Russian Transport Minister Rules Out Superjet Grounding After Crash Kills 41 https://www.rferl.org/a/fourty-one-r.../29922441.html Few airlines fly Russian jet that caught fire -- globe relies on Boeing, Airbus https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...506-story.html Au revoir, SSJ: https://thepointsguy.com/news/time-t...north-america/ |
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I take it Aeroflot passenger evacuation procedures are not up to Western standards
"Byker" wrote on Wed, 8 May 2019 13:44:34 -0500:
"David E. Powell" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 8:33:46 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote: When an earlier poster attributed the plane's return to the airport to "expert piloting skills", I couldn't keep a straight face. It came in too high, too fast, and too heavy (I couldn't tell if the flaps and slats were actuated). The "landing" was reminiscent of United Airlines Flight 232: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm2-26DS0&t=10s. The United Landing was a case of expert flying. Which is what the Russkies will probably tout when the "investigation" is complete. With the 737 currently in trouble, I suppose all other airliner makers will angle for that market with the stuff they have in the pipeline. I wonder how lightning-proof these newfangled carbon-fiber planes are? The playing field will be leveled if lightning starts downing Airbuses and Embraers... You understand that carbon is a conductor, just like aluminum, right? -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -- Thomas Jefferson |
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