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Beverages purchased airside banned from carry-on?
Are there any rules that say drinks purchased airside cannot be
brought on board? Should passengers generally be aware of this prohibition? Or does this only apply to nonalcoholic beverages purchased from the airside vendors, while the clearly flammable liquors and performs purchased from the duty-free shops are allowed? When we boarded our ICN to SFO flight, we were told that the US government (presumably the TSA) had reached across the Pacific Ocean demanded an additional security screening at the Seoul airport. Many people had the drinks that they had purchased airside confiscated. Everyone claimed that they thought these beverages, some still in sealed packages, were allowed with their carryon luggage. At the same time, other passengers were allowed to add their duty-free purchases to things they carried on board; most of these contained alcohol and clearly were hazardous materials. If clearly hazardous liquids were allowed in large quantites, why would they prohibit liquids that were probably innocuous? How would they react to mother’s milk or baby formula? This kind of arrogance coupled with the obviously illogical and inconsistent application of some secret rules can only reinforce the TSA’s well-earned reputation. |
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Beverages purchased airside banned from carry-on?
Are there any rules that say drinks purchased airside cannot be
brought on board? No, but that doesn't keep minor airport officals from claiming that there are. R's, John |
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Are there any rules that say drinks purchased airside cannot be brought on board? Normally, anything bought airside can be brought on a plane. Only if there is additional screening at the gate could they even be in a position to detect objects or materials that they don't want you to take on the plane. Was there such screening (like a metal-detection arch and x-ray scanner for hand luggage) located right at the gate? Should passengers generally be aware of this prohibition? If you are airside and as you walk around between the gates and the retail stores, and you notice there is screening equipments located at the gates (and the gate areas themselves are partitioned off as sealed rooms) then I'd be very suspicious as to what I could buy in the airside area and be able to carry with me to the plane. I don't travel to these wierd-ass places in asia to know what their airside facilities and proceedures look like. Or does this only apply to nonalcoholic beverages purchased from the airside vendors, while the clearly flammable liquors and performs purchased from the duty-free shops are allowed? My guess is that they're implimenting a general "liquids" ban at the gate, which makes no distinction between a glass bottle of liquor vs a plastic bottle of water/juice/soda. bill wrote: There are in India. You were talking about India weren't you? He was talking about his experience at ICN - Incheon (south korea). The OP (jfeng) should be more clear as to exactly what he experienced. Normally, duty free is brought to the jetway and is allowed to be carried onto the plane in such circumstances. The way I read the story, it sounds like people had their carry-on searched (at the gate? On the jetway?) while duty free was delivered to them at the jetway in the normal fashion and they were allowed to bring this on the plane. The OP was wondering why a non-duty-free liquid beverage (presumably non-alcoholic and therefore "non-hazardous") would be taken from them, while the duty-free alcohol (possibly hazardous?) was allowed on-board. My answer would be that consumable alcohol is not considered dangerous and there is no distinction being made on that basis in this case. The distinction being made is that duty free alcohol is more "controlled" within the airside area, and is not in the possession of the traveller until he's at the jetway. That, plus there'd be a lot of really ****ed-off people if their duty free was confiscated at the gate. All these issues aside, I say that this whole ban on liquids is a joke and always has been. Just another layer of security-theater and additional aggrivation and inconveinence for the flying public. |
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In article , Fly Guy says...
All these issues aside, I say that this whole ban on liquids is a joke and always has been. And there has never been a single case in which liquids were used for a terrorist attack. The London incident which triggered this paranoia turned out to be a false alarm. -- Alfred Molon http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe |
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Beverages purchased airside banned from carry-on?
On Feb 12, 5:58*am, Fly Guy wrote:
Was there such screening (like a metal-detection arch and x-ray scanner for hand luggage) located right at the gate? There were no metal detectors or x-ray machines for this security check. We were told at the beginning of boarding the the US governement had demanded additional screening, that we might have to take off our shoes, and they thanked us in advance for our cooperation. It was conducted at the entrance to the movable jetway (int the "lobby" down the steps from the boarding gate) by humans who rummaged through our bags. Should passengers generally be aware of this prohibition? If you are airside and as you walk around between the gates and the retail stores, and you notice there is screening equipments located at the gates (and the gate areas themselves are partitioned off as sealed rooms) then I'd be very suspicious as to what I could buy in the airside area and be able to carry with me to the plane. There was no earlier warning. I thinkg the passengers would not have been as annoyed if we had been given sufficient warning of the additional restrictions so we could make some personal adjustments. I don't travel to these wierd-ass places in asia to know what their airside facilities and proceedures look like. INC is a very modern airport, more up-to-date than SFO, SJC, or many other US airports. Or does this only apply to nonalcoholic beverages purchased from the airside vendors, while the clearly flammable liquors and performs purchased from the duty-free shops are allowed? My guess is that they're implimenting a general "liquids" ban at the gate, which makes no distinction between a glass bottle of liquor vs a plastic bottle of water/juice/soda. There were at least ten inspectors, all enforcing this beverage ban. It probably was not the decision of a single agent., and looks like it came from some higher authority. Unless there is some compelling evidence otherwise, I am wiling to believe that it was probably at the specific direction of the TSA; after all, losing our drinks was the only visible effect of this security check. bill wrote: You were talking about India weren't you? He was talking about his experience at ICN - Incheon (south korea). The OP (jfeng) should be more clear as to exactly what he experienced. I thought I was sufficiently exact and precise. If you have access to the internet, translating the airport codes is not very difficult. Also, I do not believe there are direct flights from India to SFO (I know I could look it up, but I expect to be corrected if I am wrong). The way I read the story, it sounds like people had their carry-on searched (at the gate? *On the jetway?) while duty free was delivered to them at the jetway in the normal fashion and they were allowed to bring this on the plane. Yes. I like to think that I write precisely (that is, little room for misinterpretation of my intent). The OP was wondering why a non-duty-free liquid beverage (presumably non-alcoholic and therefore "non-hazardous") would be taken from them, while the duty-free alcohol (possibly hazardous?) was allowed on-board. My answer would be that consumable alcohol is not considered dangerous and there is no distinction being made on that basis in this case. Most hard liquors are flammable. Snootier restaurants sometimes do this with desserts. Some people consumed all or parts of their drinks in front of the inspectors, thereby demonstrating the potability of the liquids. The distinction being made is that duty free alcohol is more "controlled" within the airside area, and is not in the possession of the traveller until he's at the jetway. In my original post, I meant to also say "perfume". I will blame this on the spell checker. That, plus there'd be a lot of really ****ed-off people if their duty free was confiscated at the gate. If they were to be logically consistent, the TSA could have instructed the duty-free shops to process refunds for all of the purchases of potentailly hazardous liquids and deliver those refunds on the jetway. Of course, nobody ever accursed the TSA of being logical or consistent. It really shows that they would rather **** off the passengers than the owners of the duty-free stores. |
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On Feb 12, 9:48*am, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , Fly Guy says... All these issues aside, I say that this whole ban on liquids is a joke and always has been. And there has never been a single case in which liquids were used for a terrorist attack. The London incident which triggered this paranoia turned out to be a false alarm. -- Alfred Molonhttp://www.molon.de- Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe If the prohibitiobns were based on facts, they would inspect our underwear and they would not allow woment to wear brassieres (think the Chechen Black Widows). They would probably also be digitally inspecting our body cavities. In additin, the TSA taught everyone how to make powerful liquid bombs. |
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, " said: Are there any rules that say drinks purchased airside cannot be brought on board? Should passengers generally be aware of this prohibition? Or does this only apply to nonalcoholic beverages purchased from the airside vendors, while the clearly flammable liquors and performs purchased from the duty-free shops are allowed? When we boarded our ICN to SFO flight, we were told that the US government (presumably the TSA) had reached across the Pacific Ocean demanded an additional security screening at the Seoul airport. Many people had the drinks that they had purchased airside confiscated. Everyone claimed that they thought these beverages, some still in sealed packages, were allowed with their carryon luggage. At the same time, other passengers were allowed to add their duty-free purchases to things they carried on board; most of these contained alcohol and clearly were hazardous materials. If clearly hazardous liquids were allowed in large quantites, why would they prohibit liquids that were probably innocuous? How would they react to mother’s milk or baby formula? They would exempt it, similar to what would happen if you labeled a couple bags of fluid as saline: http://www.schneier.com/news-072.html This kind of arrogance coupled with the obviously illogical and inconsistent application of some secret rules can only reinforce the TSA’s well-earned reputation. According to http://info.publicintelligence.net/F..._Providers.pdf you are showing potential indicators of terrorist/criminal activity. Please report to the nearest FBI office to prove your innocence. Also don't forget to enjoy your patdowns from now on, lest you once again demonstrate your terrorist indicators in public: http://www.infowars.com/not-enjoying...ious-activity/ -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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On Feb 12, 2:34*pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
Also don't forget to enjoy your patdowns from now on, lest you once again demonstrate your terrorist indicators in public: http://www.infowars.com/not-enjoying...a-suspicious-a... Once, when I got a patdown, I made pleasurable noises (quiet ahhhs and moans). The TSA guy got really upset, and on the basis of my appearing to enjoy the experience, he threatened to have me arrested and permanently banned from flying. I take this to mean that he intended that screening be unpleasant. and he was frustrated at failing this time. |
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Beverages purchased airside banned from carry-on?
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:48:07 +0100, Alfred Molon
wrote: In article , Fly Guy says... All these issues aside, I say that this whole ban on liquids is a joke and always has been. And there has never been a single case in which liquids were used for a terrorist attack. The London incident which triggered this paranoia turned out to be a false alarm. On a recent trip I bought a bottle of XO Cognac while I was away and had drunk about half of it before the time came to go home. I realised I wouldn't be allowed to take the remaining half bottle back with me on the flight, but found a way around that problem. I saved a few of the Actimel pro-biotic yogurt drinks we had for breakfast and filled six of them with the remaining alcohol. They detected them at the security checkpoint, but because each bottle was 100ml in size I was allowed to take them all on board the aircraft. Had that same quantity of liquid been in one bottle it would have been refused. What sense does that make? Chris |
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