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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:13:13 -0400, Fly Guy wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote: I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a wheelchair to bypass the line, I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system. The only abuse in this whole situation is being done to the flying public by increasingly onerous, maniacal, punative, expensive and ridiculous screening procedures and carriage rules implimented by the gov't under the guise of the TSA (Transportation Screwing Agency). Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on earth. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
In the last episode of ,
Bill said: Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on earth. That makes it worse, not better. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
In the last episode of , Fly Guy
said: Bill wrote: I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system. The problem there is technical. No it's not. As I've said before, you can't have the porters that push the wheelchairs get tied up in the security lines along with the people they're pushing around. The porters are getting paid by the hour, and it makes no sense to tie them up in the security lines. Why do you not acknowledge that? As a rule, I'd suggest the wheelchair user have their usual porter push them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue passes through security for this purpose. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:04:40 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote: In the last episode of , Fly Guy said: Bill wrote: I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system. The problem there is technical. No it's not. As I've said before, you can't have the porters that push the wheelchairs get tied up in the security lines along with the people they're pushing around. The porters are getting paid by the hour, and it makes no sense to tie them up in the security lines. Why do you not acknowledge that? As a rule, I'd suggest the wheelchair user have their usual porter push them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue passes through security for this purpose. I usually push my wife's mechanical wheelchair. When we fly I have to carry my carry-on, her carry-on and any duty free goods we might buy, if we can actually buy any because it is often a problem to get a porter to take us through security before the flight is called... Before check-in, when we have the hold luggage with us, we have to sit in the taxi until I can get a chair and a porter to push it to get us inside while I manage the hold baggage for us both as well as anything else. Stop telling me what an easy ride I'm getting... |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:04:40 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote: In the last episode of , Bill said: Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on earth. That makes it worse, not better. OK, use a wheelchair and find out just how horrible the experience is. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security LinesLegally
On 10/11/2012 04:42 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote: The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with everyone else, and get screened in order. I agree. It's extremely annoying to work your way up through a long security line, dump all your stuff on the belt and just as you are about to walk through the scanner, have someone in a chair cut in front of the line, take 10 minutes to get out of the chair, find their bording pass and work their way through. I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must really upset your moral principles. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
In the last episode of , Tom P
said: I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must really upset your moral principles. Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
wrote: In the last episode of , Tom P said: I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must really upset your moral principles. Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve. So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution? An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that out. Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point, never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities disabled people need. There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world... |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
In the last episode of ,
Bill said: On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD wrote: In the last episode of , Tom P said: I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must really upset your moral principles. Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve. So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution? An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that out. Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point, never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities disabled people need. There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world... Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would absolve one of the risk of fines. Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight; the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to board but abandon them when their planes land" -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. |
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Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security LinesLegally
DevilsPGD wrote:
the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse of the system No. Throw the people in jail who are responsible for the current violation of civil and property rights that take place as part of airport screening. Throw them, and the politicians who enabled them to construct and impliment the current systems in jail, and fine them $10k to boot. Stop bleeting like ****ing sheeple and take back our freedoms and liberties from these security fascists. |
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