Lufthansa will cancel your flight if they don't like your politics

All in all, the headline of the story is totally biased and has nothing
to do with Lufthansa. It's telling that website is some kind of
pro-Israeli outfit. It's kind of ironic that Israelis should castigate
a German airline for kowtowing to Israeli immigration rules, don't you
think?

As far as I can tell the report came from a somewhat oppositional
Israeli newspaper which opposes the state's blockade on Palestine.

I would hope there are Americans similarly willing to castigate
foreign agencies and corporations kowtowing to their own government's
repressive actions. Morality does not stop at national borders and
is blind to citizenship. A lot of what the government of "my" country
does is just plain evil, and Americans, Israelis and Palestinians all
have every right to say so.

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All in all, the headline of the story is totally biased and has nothing
to do with Lufthansa. It's telling that website is some kind of
pro-Israeli outfit. It's kind of ironic that Israelis should castigate
a German airline for kowtowing to Israeli immigration rules, don't you
think?

As far as I can tell the report came from a somewhat oppositional
Israeli newspaper which opposes the state's blockade on Palestine.

I would hope there are Americans similarly willing to castigate
foreign agencies and corporations kowtowing to their own government's
repressive actions. Morality does not stop at national borders and
is blind to citizenship. A lot of what the government of "my" country
does is just plain evil, and Americans, Israelis and Palestinians all
have every right to say so.


Without a doubt.

But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.


--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:35:07 +0200, Tom P wrote:

On 04/14/2012 04:53 PM, Irwell wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:28:40 +0100, mikeos wrote:

Well of course the body of the article makes it plain that this is a
false allegation. No airline will risk boarding passengers if the
destination country is certain to refuse entry. The airline would be
forced to fly them back again at the its' expense. Nothing at all to do
with Lufthansa making a decision based on politics.

False reasoning, if they paid a round trip fare
Lufthansa has no extra expense.

False reasoning. They have to fly them back on the same plane,
regardless, whether they have to bump another pax or put them in 1st
class is their problem.

Falser reasoning. What do you mean the same plane?
That plane maybe going onto another destination.
May have already taken off by the time the Immigration lads
have done their thing.

On 4/13/2012 4:48 PM, Jack Campin wrote:

[bad editorializing and misinterpretation snipped]

http://www.windsorstar.com/story_pri...5&sponsor=true

Multiple airlines cancelled those bookings (not the
flights, the bookings) of ticket-holders:

"Activists said at least 60 Belgian and 40 French citizens were
unable to fly despite having tickets. Most of them had been due
to fly with Brussels Airlines, while the rest were supposed to
travel with Lufthansa and Swiss Air."

and:

"...Israel vowed to prevent their entry, warning foreign airlines
they would be forced to foot the bill for the activists' immediate
return home in a move which saw many carriers toeing the line..."

and there the statement from Netanyahu:

"We appreciate your choosing to make Israel the object of your
humanitarian concerns."

"We know there were many other worthy choices. You could have chosen
to protest the Syrian regime's daily savagery against its own people,
which has claimed thousands of lives."

"We therefore suggest that you first solve the real problems of
the region, and then come back and share with us your experience."

"Have a nice flight."

By the way, why weren't *you* joining these brave protesters?

But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.

The law didn't come into it. Israel didn't declare these people's
visit illegal. They simply got Lufthansa to do their bidding.

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Jack Campin wrote:

But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.

The law didn't come into it. Israel didn't declare these people's
visit illegal. They simply got Lufthansa to do their bidding.

They simply told Lufthansa that these people would be denied entry into
their country. As a result, Lufthansa cancelled their flight.

Duh.


"Jack Campin" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
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But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.

The law didn't come into it. Israel didn't declare these people's
visit illegal. They simply got Lufthansa to do their bidding.

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Scotland
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JackCampin

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But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.

The law didn't come into it. Israel didn't declare these people's
visit illegal. They simply got Lufthansa to do their bidding.


So why do the offended ones say it's against international law?

I have to add that if you turn up at an airline check-in counter for a
flight to the USA and your name is on a US 'no fly' list you don't get
on the aircraft either.

--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.

If you go to campin's house for a meal and were not invited, he will slam
the gate at you.


"Bill" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
...

In article ,
says...

But it is also a fact that a country has the right to deny access to its
shores to any non citizen it wishes.

Many democratic countries exercise that right, the British do so
regularly when US demagogues like Louis Farrakhan want entry to cause
trouble, but no-one ever says 'This is against international law'
unless Israel is concerned.

The law didn't come into it. Israel didn't declare these people's
visit illegal. They simply got Lufthansa to do their bidding.


So why do the offended ones say it's against international law?

I have to add that if you turn up at an airline check-in counter for a
flight to the USA and your name is on a US 'no fly' list you don't get
on the aircraft either.

--
William Black

When you hear the words 'Our people are our greatest asset' then it's
time to leave.