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American Airlines discloses personal data
"mtravelkay" wrote in message om... The government doesn't have a right to gather data on all of its citizens for the purpose of finding someone that might commit a crime. They are free to look at my records if they have a reasonable reason to suspect me of criminal activity. Of course they do. Take taxes for example. Doesn't the government gather data from every citizen regarding income and witholdings for the sole purpose of making sure you don't commit tax evasion? Otherwise the IRS would just have to trust us to send in the correct amount and they could not obtain our financial records unless they had a reason to suspect we weren't paying the correct amount. Or how about when you go to get a drivers license and they finger print you? Why do they do this? In case you commit a crime!! It's the exact same thing and I'm sure there are many more examples of it, these are just two I could think of off top of my head. Matt |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
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I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Because the personal record contains much more than just your flight number. It contains contact information, (in case you die for instance), passport number for intl flights, your meal preferences, FF number and full payment information. Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. Yes, they are giving out your credit card number. And because the USA government lacks strict data privacy laws, the data is easily given out to subcontractors etc etc. personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. Go look at what the current regime wants. Their plan is total information awareness. They have stated that they want to capture all credit card transactions so that they can study certain transaction patterns in the hopes of finding suspicuious activity. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? It isn't just the travel itinerary. And for all the claims the USA has made about its constitution protecting rights and liberty, I am amazed that americans do not user their "right to bear arms" to throw out a rogue government whose matra is to break your privacy. |
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"nobody" wrote in message ... Matt wrote: I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Because the personal record contains much more than just your flight number. It contains contact information, (in case you die for instance), passport number for intl flights, your meal preferences, FF number and full payment information. personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. Go look at what the current regime wants. Their plan is total information awareness. They have stated that they want to capture all credit card transactions so that they can study certain transaction patterns in the hopes of finding suspicuious activity. Look, I admit that this all sounds a little Big Brotherish, and I'd prefer to live in a world where all this information wasn't tracked, but I can understand the need to collect some basic information on travellers. I would definately prefer it if they didn't include the credit card number simply because it increases the chance of fraud. But the rest of the information I don't really care and it's not like it's hard to get ahold of credit card numbers anyway. I also would agree that there should be some controls over how this information is given out since there is potential for abuse. Would you prefer that they just let us all travel anonymously? Of course that is not an option. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? It isn't just the travel itinerary. And for all the claims the USA has made about its constitution protecting rights and liberty, I am amazed that americans do not user their "right to bear arms" to throw out a rogue government whose matra is to break your privacy. I think you're views are a little tainted from your hatred of Bush. Americans will use their right to vote to elect Bush for 4 more years....the thought of that should make your head explode. Matt |
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Matt wrote:
Look, I admit that this all sounds a little Big Brotherish, and I'd prefer to live in a world where all this information wasn't tracked, Would you prefer that they just let us all travel anonymously? Of course that is not an option. If we were 20 years back, such statements would apply to the Soviet Union. Now it applies to the United States of America. Think carefully about where you want your country to be heading. |
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"nobody" wrote in message ... Matt wrote: Look, I admit that this all sounds a little Big Brotherish, and I'd prefer to live in a world where all this information wasn't tracked, Would you prefer that they just let us all travel anonymously? Of course that is not an option. If we were 20 years back, such statements would apply to the Soviet Union. Now it applies to the United States of America. Think carefully about where you want your country to be heading. I agree....it is a fine line and we need to watch the government to make sure they don't go to far. And don't get me wrong, I think the government does go to far in some cases, but with regards to this topic specifically, in my opinion at least, doesn't go too far. Maybe I will change my mind in the future if things change for the worse. Matt |
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sure they don't go to far. And don't get me wrong, I think the government does go to far in some cases, but with regards to this topic specifically, in my opinion at least, doesn't go too far. Maybe I will change my mind in the future if things change for the worse. Your government have stated their goal of total information awareness. They have alredy begun to cause a lot of trouble to anyone trying to fly if their name is anywhere near the name on their secret list. They have wrongly imprisoned thousands of americans, and even more residents with valid visas/green cards with no access to lawyers. I realise you don't beleive this because yoru media haven't discussed this. But all around the world, there are stories of this. And lets not get into the Gantanamo concentration camp. They even held teenagers for over a year in the same prison as adults. Again, with no charges, no legal recourse, no access to lawyers. And that included citizens of your only loyal terrier: The Bliar govermment. If you don't think that they have gone beyond the "line", then please define where you would draw the line. And make sure you tell your regime that they better not exceed that line, but to them, they havbe use the threath of terrorism to justify passing the patriot act which essentially lifts many sections of the constitution. Do you really want to live in a country that is in a perpetual state of war ? It isn't so long ago that governments in Canada and USA admitted to the serious mistakes done in the 2nd world war with respects to wrongful detension of humans of japanese origin. And the USA is at it again, this time with arabs. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Yawn.....your rantings really are tiring to read. What is there a website
somewhere where you people go and copy/paste this stuff? Try having an original thought. You obviously don't like the US. By the way, what country are you from? Detainees in Guantanamo......don't care. I'm pretty confident that there is a good reason behind each and every one of them that's being held. If a few of them are being held improperly, well that's a bad thing, but don't care. Do we toss out the whole criminal justice system because there is a small chance of an innocent person going to jail? Japanese detention camps....don't care. Sure it was a bad thing to have done, but civil liberties some times have to take a back seat to national security. Oh...you forgot to bring up slavery? The one point I will agree with you on is the no-fly list. I don't have a problem with the no fly list in principal, but doesn't sound like there is any recourse for those improperly placed on the list, which is wrong. Where do I draw the line?? Well, in the context of this topic, I would draw the line if we had to get permission from our government to travel somewhere. I would draw the line at racial profiling. I would draw the line at unreasonable searches during security screenings. There are lots of things the government could do in the name of security but doesn't because it would go over the line. Matt "nobody" wrote in message ... Matt wrote: sure they don't go to far. And don't get me wrong, I think the government does go to far in some cases, but with regards to this topic specifically, in my opinion at least, doesn't go too far. Maybe I will change my mind in the future if things change for the worse. Your government have stated their goal of total information awareness. They have alredy begun to cause a lot of trouble to anyone trying to fly if their name is anywhere near the name on their secret list. They have wrongly imprisoned thousands of americans, and even more residents with valid visas/green cards with no access to lawyers. I realise you don't beleive this because yoru media haven't discussed this. But all around the world, there are stories of this. And lets not get into the Gantanamo concentration camp. They even held teenagers for over a year in the same prison as adults. Again, with no charges, no legal recourse, no access to lawyers. And that included citizens of your only loyal terrier: The Bliar govermment. If you don't think that they have gone beyond the "line", then please define where you would draw the line. And make sure you tell your regime that they better not exceed that line, but to them, they havbe use the threath of terrorism to justify passing the patriot act which essentially lifts many sections of the constitution. Do you really want to live in a country that is in a perpetual state of war ? It isn't so long ago that governments in Canada and USA admitted to the serious mistakes done in the 2nd world war with respects to wrongful detension of humans of japanese origin. And the USA is at it again, this time with arabs. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Matt wrote:
"mtravelkay" wrote in message . com... Matt wrote: I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. It's just a travel itinerary. Of course there are limits on what kind of personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? Why does the government need to know my travel itinerary in advance of me being suspected of a crime? I don't have a problem with the government and airlines using an itenerary and other factors to determine if a passenger should get extra screening or not. If a passenger shows up at the Beirut Airport and pays cash for a one way ticket to Washington DC, then I'm sorry, but that guy should get some extra screening. Obviously you don't agree, so we will just have to disagree on that point. Perhaps I don't want them to know I have a habit of flying to cities where pro or anti fill in the blank meetings are being held. Maybe I don't want them to know that every 4 years I always fly to the city of the fill in the blank National Convention is being held, during the same time period of the convention. After all, they might draw the conclusion that I belong to the fill in name Party. They don't need to know what library books I check out, or what foreign languages I am learning. Seriously......are you really truly worried about that happening to you?? Matt You must be new here. "mtravelkay" is another psycho troll/netkook, like Mezei..... About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight, a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder ***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.*** "mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is Michael Voight, email . He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel". The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don't keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn't looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money in alt.visa.us.marriage-based and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy newsgroups he frequents. Some of his other trolling aliases are Network Guy, , sleepydoc , jlhunt , and Lost 5 of 8 , mrt , news.sf.sbcglobal.net , not-nomen , David Tanner , Jeff Davies , BobTheBuilder . All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav , mrtrav3 , mrraveltay , and mrtravelkay , and mtravelkay and ""a.a\"@a,a,a. The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is Bill Clarkj . He seems to like to hang out in alt.sex.preteen. Hmmm.... His phone numbers are 831-295-3628 and 831-252-2606. He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know what kind of deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so.... For starters, forward his idiotic posts to . He works in technical support, so forward them to . He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to and as well. You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT. Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They will LOVE that you brought this to their attention: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get as far up as possible. (408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387 Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this asshole who is wasting company resources: Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408) 526-4545 Email: Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff: USA 1 800 553 6387 Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company: John Morgridge, Chairman John Chambers, President, CEO Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Have fun! |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Matt wrote:
"mtravelkay" wrote in message . com... Matt wrote: I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. It's just a travel itinerary. Of course there are limits on what kind of personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? Why does the government need to know my travel itinerary in advance of me being suspected of a crime? I don't have a problem with the government and airlines using an itenerary and other factors to determine if a passenger should get extra screening or not. If a passenger shows up at the Beirut Airport and pays cash for a one way ticket to Washington DC, then I'm sorry, but that guy should get some extra screening. Obviously you don't agree, so we will just have to disagree on that point. Perhaps I don't want them to know I have a habit of flying to cities where pro or anti fill in the blank meetings are being held. Maybe I don't want them to know that every 4 years I always fly to the city of the fill in the blank National Convention is being held, during the same time period of the convention. After all, they might draw the conclusion that I belong to the fill in name Party. They don't need to know what library books I check out, or what foreign languages I am learning. Seriously......are you really truly worried about that happening to you?? Matt You must be new here. "mtravelkay" is another psycho troll/netkook, like Mezei..... About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight, a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder ***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON USENET AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.*** "mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is Michael Voight, email . He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel". The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don't keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn't looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money in alt.visa.us.marriage-based and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy newsgroups he frequents. Some of his other trolling aliases are Network Guy, , sleepydoc , jlhunt , and Lost 5 of 8 , mrt , news.sf.sbcglobal.net , not-nomen , David Tanner , Jeff Davies , BobTheBuilder . All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav , mrtrav3 , mrraveltay , and mrtravelkay , and mtravelkay and ""a.a\"@a,a,a. The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is Bill Clarkj . He seems to like to hang out in alt.sex.preteen. Hmmm.... His phone numbers are 831-295-3628 and 831-252-2606. He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other kids he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know what kind of deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so.... For starters, forward his idiotic posts to . He works in technical support, so forward them to . He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to and as well. You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole day at work playing on the internet on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE THAT. Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They will LOVE that you brought this to their attention: Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 USA Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters with phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get as far up as possible. (408)526-4000 (800)553-NETS or (800)553-6387 Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in their company but won't do so until they get rid of this asshole who is wasting company resources: Cisco Systems, Inc. Investor Relations Department 170 West Tasman Drive San Jose, CA 95134-1706 Phone: (408) 526-8890 Fax: (408) 526-4545 Email: Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this type of stuff: USA 1 800 553 6387 Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their employees. They will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company: John Morgridge, Chairman John Chambers, President, CEO Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations Have fun! |
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