Trip report

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:41:55 +0100, "tim...."
wrote:


"Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote in message
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Runge 666:

"tim....":
Are there enough people here to bother posting my report?


If it's such a bother to give one click, then don't bother.

For once, if have to agree with Runge, Tim.
Just post the report if you like to publish it, don't have us beg for
it first.

It isn't "just one click"

It's the four hours it will take me to type it up.

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post that
others will read it and find useful/interesting.

I'm not asking you to beg, I just need an idea how many people are still
here


Bear in mind that the number of us here is not the same as the number
of us that will read it. For one thing, I don't think you've told us
where your trip was. If it's a place I have no interest in, I might
not read it.

And whether I might read it also has to do with its length. If it's
very long (four hours of typing makes it sound very long), I probably
wouldn't, unless it looks really terrific. Other factors are how well
you write, and what are the things you write about in the place. And
if you write about a place that I know, and I start reading it and
find that I disagree with most of your opinions about it, I'd probably
stop quickly.

Well I'm not very good at writing so it takes me a long time to get it right
as I amend it several times to get something good enough to publish (even on
a news group).

And even then, it may not be written well enough for you to "like" it :-(

I didn't almost flunk "English" for no reason :-) (that's an English exam in
my first language, not a second one!)

tim

"gtr" wrote in message news:2012060109344347369-xxx@yyyzzz...
On 2012-06-01 09:41:55 +0000, tim.... said:

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post that
others will read it and find useful/interesting.

How can you know how useful/interesting it will be to people who won't
arrive here for months. The first time I visitied this usegroup, a few
years ago, I read it for hours, and messages from up to 5 or 6 years
before.

Than you are in a very tiny minority

Experience of 10 years on usenet suggests that almost no-one who is new to a
group reads the archive material

tim

On 2012-06-01 18:27:25 +0000, tim.... said:

"gtr" wrote in message news:2012060109344347369-xxx@yyyzzz...
On 2012-06-01 09:41:55 +0000, tim.... said:

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post
that others will read it and find useful/interesting.

How can you know how useful/interesting it will be to people who won't
arrive here for months. The first time I visitied this usegroup, a few
years ago, I read it for hours, and messages from up to 5 or 6 years
before.

Than you are in a very tiny minority

Or maybe not. I believe the vast majority treat usenet like a website:
The view, read, skim and move on without leaving a footprint.

Experience of 10 years on usenet suggests that almost no-one who is new
to a group reads the archive material

Experience of 20 years on usenet suggest I still could never accurately
project what proportion there is of people who lurk versus post on this
or any other usegroup. A few hints have me believing that in some
groups it's 20 to 1 that lurk v. post.

That's not all groups.

On 31/05/2012 6:57 AM, tim.... wrote:
Are there enough people here to bother posting my report?

No

Is there somewhere else I should put it that will be useful to people?



No

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:17:26 -0700, gtr wrote:

On 2012-06-01 18:27:25 +0000, tim.... said:

"gtr" wrote in message news:2012060109344347369-xxx@yyyzzz...
On 2012-06-01 09:41:55 +0000, tim.... said:

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post
that others will read it and find useful/interesting.

How can you know how useful/interesting it will be to people who won't
arrive here for months. The first time I visitied this usegroup, a few
years ago, I read it for hours, and messages from up to 5 or 6 years
before.

Than you are in a very tiny minority

Or maybe not. I believe the vast majority treat usenet like a website:
The view, read, skim and move on without leaving a footprint.

Experience of 10 years on usenet suggests that almost no-one who is new
to a group reads the archive material

Experience of 20 years on usenet suggest I still could never accurately
project what proportion there is of people who lurk versus post on this
or any other usegroup. A few hints have me believing that in some
groups it's 20 to 1 that lurk v. post.

That's not all groups.

About a million to one with newspapers.

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:17:26 -0700, gtr wrote:

On 2012-06-01 18:27:25 +0000, tim.... said:

"gtr" wrote in message news:2012060109344347369-xxx@yyyzzz...
On 2012-06-01 09:41:55 +0000, tim.... said:

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post
that others will read it and find useful/interesting.

How can you know how useful/interesting it will be to people who won't
arrive here for months. The first time I visitied this usegroup, a few
years ago, I read it for hours, and messages from up to 5 or 6 years
before.

Than you are in a very tiny minority

Or maybe not. I believe the vast majority treat usenet like a website:
The view, read, skim and move on without leaving a footprint.


None of us can prove our viewpoints, but I agree with Tim. You are in
a very tiny minority. And although I can't prove it, I'm very
confident that I'm right.


Experience of 10 years on usenet suggests that almost no-one who is new
to a group reads the archive material

Experience of 20 years on usenet suggest I still could never accurately
project what proportion there is of people who lurk versus post on this
or any other usegroup. A few hints have me believing that in some
groups it's 20 to 1 that lurk v. post.



My guess is that it's usually much more than 20 to 1. But that has
nothing to do with how many people go through the archives to read old
posts.


--
Ken Blake

On 2012-06-02 00:37:50 +0000, Ken Blake said:

None of us can prove our viewpoints, but I agree with Tim. You are in
a very tiny minority. And although I can't prove it, I'm very
confident that I'm right.

I think you're in the tiniest minority imaginable--just
microscopic!--and that the entire universe thinks just the way I do
about everything from pickling cucumbers to bop guitar string gauges.

I can't prove it but it's the only reality that isn't worthy of my
absolute contempt.

Any one else care to vote about the number of dancing camels on the
head of an imaginary footstool?

Anyway we don't want to hear about what you eat, if your lady was sea sick
or if you spent a lot of money.
Duh.

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"Erick T. Barkhuis" wrote in message
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Runge 666:

"tim....":
Are there enough people here to bother posting my report?


If it's such a bother to give one click, then don't bother.

For once, if have to agree with Runge, Tim.
Just post the report if you like to publish it, don't have us beg for
it first.

It isn't "just one click"

It's the four hours it will take me to type it up.

I don't type it for my own sake, I do it if I have somewhere to post that
others will read it and find useful/interesting.

I'm not asking you to beg, I just need an idea how many people are still
here

tim

Maybe you could switch to knitting instead of idioting

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
message de groupe de discussion : ...


S Viemeister wrote:
On 5/31/2012 12:54 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2012 07:28:26 -0400, S Viemeister
wrote:

On 5/31/2012 6:57 AM, tim.... wrote:
Are there enough people here to bother posting my report?

Is there somewhere else I should put it that will be useful to people?

I think there probably are a number of people who check in fairly
often,
see nothing of interest, and silently wander off elsewhere.



I'm one of those. I am here almost every day to see what's here, but
very rarely post myself.

That makes at least three of us to read Tim's trip report...

I check in more-or-less daily, but pick and choose, depending upon where
the poster traveled. If it's not somewhere I'd like to go, or a place
that otherwise interests me, I don't bother, but interests differ, so by
all means post your trip reports! (I don't EVER use "Twitter" or
"Facebook", so if its not on Usenet, I won't see it.)

On Thu, 31 May 2012 19:11:23 +0000, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote:

Runge 666:

"tim....":
Are there enough people here to bother posting my report?


If it's such a bother to give one click, then don't bother.

For once, if have to agree with Runge, Tim.
Just post the report if you like to publish it, don't have us beg for it
first.

Even those who ask information before they travel rarely report
afterwards. A few did, and it was very interesting.