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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:57:31 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
wrote: My question is: isn't this kidnapping? Nope. Not even close. And it's not even unlawful imprisonment, which fits the reported facts better. It seems it surely could be called that. Only by those who don't understand what was happening. What it was effectively was detention on behalf of the immigration authorities. Another thing--I recently flew (I rarely do) and I was fortunate to be seated next to the emergency exit. Couldn't someone have just opened that and taken off? One thing is for sure--that is absolutely what I would have done. Gosh. And then you'd be off to federal court for being naughty. Really. Plus you'd get a honking great bill from the airline. It's ridiculous to think anyone is supposed to just sit there & wait 18 HOURS while they straighten out their own nonsense. That's *exactly* what people are supposed to do... Comments? Unhappy? Sue. It's the American way. LRH Malc. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:03:31 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
wrote: "AJC" wrote in message news I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. No, it wouldn't. It *might* be unlawful detention, but in fact it's lawful detention. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life-dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. Then you're stupid. Using legal terms and then claiming you don't care what the law says is the mark of an idiot. How can we get this changed? 1. Elect a sane president. (Oops.) 2. Persuade Congress to relax the immigration laws. (Oops.) LRH Malc. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:09:49 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
wrote: "Casey" wrote in message hlink.net... Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? It's two huge offenses (at least). 1. It's a violation of border security (immigration laws). 2. It's a violation of airport security (FARs). If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. I think your brain went to hell in a handbasket a while ago. The solution is to try to sue everyone in sight. The traditional American way... LRH Malc. |
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:09:49 -0700, "Larry R Harrison Jr"
wrote: "Casey" wrote in message hlink.net... Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. And I'm arguing that even THAT shouldn't happen, Patriot Act or no. Since when is getting off a plane which has landed where you're headed such a huge offense? It's two huge offenses (at least). 1. It's a violation of border security (immigration laws). 2. It's a violation of airport security (FARs). If so, this country went to hell in a handbasket LONG before the Patriot Act. I think your brain went to hell in a handbasket a while ago. The solution is to try to sue everyone in sight. The traditional American way... LRH Malc. |
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"Casey" wrote in message link.net... I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life- dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. How can we get this changed? You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act. Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any- where else it deems necessary. Hot damn! If Governor Arnold doesn't like me he'll send me to Gitmo! AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado for years. It's interesting that those who are consumed by hatred of America completely ignore similar actions by other countries. In fact, many America-haters appear to have been driven insane with rage. For instance, there's a certain resident of Quebec who prefers to spend his waking hours obsessing about the US on Usenet rather than securing a job. Oh, Canada! "OTTAWA - Security certificates used to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely for months without charge are constitutional, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled Friday." http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1553112A Hello, guv! "Britain's highest court on Thursday harshly condemned one of the most hotly disputed elements of the country's anti-terrorist strategy _ a law allowing some foreign suspects to be locked up indefinitely with no charge." http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1652212A Merde! "...in France, where four prisoners from the (Guantanamo) naval base were arrested as soon as they arrived home in July, and haven't been heard from since. Under French law, they could remain locked up for as long as three years while authorities decide whether to put them on trial -- a legal limbo that their attorneys charge is not much different than what they faced at Guantanamo." http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer Now that you know about this, I'm sure you'll start spamming various newsgroups about the abuses of the French legal system with equal fervor. Get busy! |
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"Casey" wrote in message link.net... I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life- dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. How can we get this changed? You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act. Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any- where else it deems necessary. Hot damn! If Governor Arnold doesn't like me he'll send me to Gitmo! AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado for years. It's interesting that those who are consumed by hatred of America completely ignore similar actions by other countries. In fact, many America-haters appear to have been driven insane with rage. For instance, there's a certain resident of Quebec who prefers to spend his waking hours obsessing about the US on Usenet rather than securing a job. Oh, Canada! "OTTAWA - Security certificates used to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely for months without charge are constitutional, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled Friday." http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1553112A Hello, guv! "Britain's highest court on Thursday harshly condemned one of the most hotly disputed elements of the country's anti-terrorist strategy _ a law allowing some foreign suspects to be locked up indefinitely with no charge." http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1652212A Merde! "...in France, where four prisoners from the (Guantanamo) naval base were arrested as soon as they arrived home in July, and haven't been heard from since. Under French law, they could remain locked up for as long as three years while authorities decide whether to put them on trial -- a legal limbo that their attorneys charge is not much different than what they faced at Guantanamo." http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer Now that you know about this, I'm sure you'll start spamming various newsgroups about the abuses of the French legal system with equal fervor. Get busy! |
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Unhappy? Sue. It's the American way.
LRH Malc. ========== You can fle a class-action lawsuit. Try Stan Chesly in Cincinnati(OOPS) he's probably busy with the lawsuits against Comair and USAir. |
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vite Francia wrote: "Casey" wrote in message link.net... I wonder if the emergency slides will have been disengaged, if so the jump from a DC10 door to the ground would most likely lead to broken bones. In any case don't forget this happened in the US. With the state of nervousness there, the likely presence of armed air marshalls on the aircraft, and almost certainly the presence of armed police on the ground, opening a door and jumping out could well be the last action you took. --==++AJC++==-- And that would be KIDNAPPING. To not allow me to leave unless I'm under questioning for having committed a crime, or I'm under oath in court giving crucial testimony, or I'm at work performing a delicate life- dependent type of occupation, those things excepted--to not allow me to leave is flat-out KIDNAPPING, I don't care what the law says. How can we get this changed? You are hopelessly naive. Try reading the actual text of the Patriot Act. Your government now has the right to declare anyone - including USA citizens - as an enemy, and therefore to send them to Cuba or any- where else it deems necessary. Hot damn! If Governor Arnold doesn't like me he'll send me to Gitmo! AJC is right. Before the Patriot Act was passed, you would simply have been arrested and charged with some minor federal offense. Now you just might be incommunicado for years. It's interesting that those who are consumed by hatred of America completely ignore similar actions by other countries. In fact, many America-haters appear to have been driven insane with rage. For instance, there's a certain resident of Quebec who prefers to spend his waking hours obsessing about the US on Usenet rather than securing a job. Oh, Canada! "OTTAWA - Security certificates used to detain suspected terrorists indefinitely for months without charge are constitutional, the Federal Court of Appeal ruled Friday." http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1553112A Hello, guv! "Britain's highest court on Thursday harshly condemned one of the most hotly disputed elements of the country's anti-terrorist strategy _ a law allowing some foreign suspects to be locked up indefinitely with no charge." http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1652212A Merde! "...in France, where four prisoners from the (Guantanamo) naval base were arrested as soon as they arrived home in July, and haven't been heard from since. Under French law, they could remain locked up for as long as three years while authorities decide whether to put them on trial -- a legal limbo that their attorneys charge is not much different than what they faced at Guantanamo." http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer Now that you know about this, I'm sure you'll start spamming various newsgroups about the abuses of the French legal system with equal fervor. Get busy! Thanks for the info! -- Best Greg |
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"Malcolm Weir" wrote in message
... That's *exactly* what people are supposed to do... Why? Don't they have a life to live? Just WHY--why--are they supposed to do that? To satisfy beaucratic paperwork? To fulfill a technicality in the law? We're going to be imprisoned and kidnapped to fulfill technicalities and paperwork? Unless you can give me a better reason than that, I still say it's kidnapping. LRH |
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"Malcolm Weir" wrote in message
... I think your brain went to hell in a handbasket a while ago. Who gives a **** what you think? I was just trying to understand how something like this is okay and tolerable, I was not asking for sarcasm from a smart-ass. LRH |
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