Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:51:48 -0000, "William Black"
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"John Kulp" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:08:57 -0000, "William Black"
wrote:


"Turan Fettahoglu" wrote in message
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But in the US the lady might have no insurance at all, which is still
worse!

Not from the point of view of many people in America.

Remember, sickness is God's punishment, being poor is a sign that you are
evil.

And you're the blithering idiot and exploiter of India that called the
US system ghastly weren't you?

Well it is.

people die there from poverty.

It's a means by which insurance companies pauperise the elderly.

Complete crap as usual. And from an idiot who specializes in
exploiting Indians where, of course, no one dies from poverty.



How do you like your ghastly one now
genius?

It works ok for me.

It would since you're ghastly.


And in what way do I exploit India?

By living off them, exploiting their low wages for your personal
benefit and pauperizing them like you claim insurance companies do for
starters hypocrite.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:10:31 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

and the current one is one of ever more expensive drug treatments and
ever longer living patients. Theres an issue to be resolved certainly,
but its not one dor americans to crow about.

You mean because Americans are heavily subsidizing your drug costs in
Europe which have been shifted here?

I dont think so. Ive no idea what you are on about there.

Well this is a very well known problem here. Why do you think drug
costs are so much higher here than in Europe for exactly the same
drugs? Because they are so much cheaper to deliver there? Hardly.
It's because our idiot politicians (a) allow drug companies to charge
whatever they want here (b) because they passed a law forbidding
medicare, the huge elderly healthcare system here, from competitively
bidding for drugs and (c) having Europe buy these competitively on a
large scale. The drug company reaction to this has been to overcharge
Americans for the same drugs that Europeans are undercharged for,
shifting the cost here.

Mike....... wrote:
Following up to S Viemeister wrote:

"ohhhhh darling, flutter flutter, you look so cute when you eat the
european way" :-)
Ick.
Not quite my style.

OK, lets try something else:-

"Is that a knife and fork in your pocket or are you pleased to see
me?"

or was it the Thatcher style handbagging?


I choose to lead by example.

May is lovely in Sutherland - when will you be doing Ben Loyal?

We are still on the Shetland habit! Once we actually *see* an
orca......

Isn't there a Shetland ferry from Caithness?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:47 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to "Pat" wrote:

He's referring to the fact that Americans pay much higher amounts for drugs
than do people in other countries,

does that include the UK and drugs developed in UK? Why do the US
companies choose to subsidise drugs sold to Europe? if they do.

They choose to do so because they can make the money off us and easily
get a decent profit as a result while at the same time selling them
cheaply in Europe.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:57:08 +0100, UC wrote:

John Kulp wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:17:51 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

Funny, the US view of UK healthcare is supposedly unrealistic
but the UK view of the US system presumbably is not.
I think its fair to say that the UK gets more detailed news of the US
than the US gets of Europe.

Maybe but I don't know. From what I have seen here of a lot of
perceptions, the detailed news isn't any more accurate of the US than
is claimed here about the UK.

Well, at least in Europe they know that US actually *exists*. The same
feeling about Europe cannot be found watching American tv news.

And you got this brilliant conclusion from where exactly?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:01:55 +0000, Mike.......
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Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

The reaction postings here were largely xenophobic and uncritical as I
said,

Bear in mind that if you crash in with a criticism of a foreign
country you dont usually get a totally calm appraisal in return.

I didn't write a a single word of that article. The reaction I got
was, however, largely as expected. As I said, lots of Europeans like
to hand it out but not receive it. Not unlike lots of Americans I
might add.


No difference from the cheese eating US idiots is it?

I thought that was the French :-)

I meant the US idiots posting idiocy like this about the French for
the same xenophobic and uncritical reasons as above.

yeah, I know. BTW, on one of the other things we have US/Euro flame
wars on, "switching" when eating. I was sat opposite some Americans
the other day and I remembered that flame war, so I looked. They ate
exactly the same as me, well they didnt spill as much, or drink as
much, and they talked too loud, but you know what I mean. I'm gonna
see how Homer Simpson eats and if he doesn't switch, I'm going to
refuse to believe it exists. My Texan friend doesn't do it either.

Yes, I saw that long winded thread as well. Should have been worth
about 5 posts and went on for about a thousand as I remember.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:25:49 -0500, S Viemeister
wrote:

Mike....... wrote:

yeah, I know. BTW, on one of the other things we have US/Euro flame
wars on, "switching" when eating. I was sat opposite some Americans
the other day and I remembered that flame war, so I looked. They ate
exactly the same as me, well they didnt spill as much, or drink as
much, and they talked too loud, but you know what I mean. I'm gonna
see how Homer Simpson eats and if he doesn't switch, I'm going to
refuse to believe it exists. My Texan friend doesn't do it either.

One of these days, Mike, you'll have to visit the US and see for
yourself. Yes, there are those who don't switch (my US-born husband
eats UK-style) but visit a small-town diner and watch the patrons - most
of them (unless they have foreign accents!) _will_ do the 'switching' thing.

Why this is of any interest to anyone is beyond me.

On the particular moment of Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:42:47 +0000 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, Mike.......
put forth:

Following up to "Pat" wrote:

He's referring to the fact that Americans pay much higher amounts for drugs
than do people in other countries,

does that include the UK and drugs developed in UK? Why do the US
companies choose to subsidise drugs sold to Europe? if they do.

It's a big market. American pharmaceutical companies couldn't make
such obscene profits without exporting to all the world.

This is another case of an American 'reminding' the world we should
all be grateful.
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On the particular moment of Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:14:38 GMT in relation
to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy,
(John Kulp) put forth:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:15 +0000, Mike.......
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there is a lot of US bashing gets posted here, just like loads of
Europe bashing, cheese eating surrender monkey type stuff, europeans
dont wash, all that.

Very true. All pretty juvenile.

That would apply to your view on socializzzed medicine too.
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On the particular moment of Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:10:07 -0600 in
relation to Mary's disappointingly immaculate rumpy pumpy, "Pat"
put forth:

He's speaking for you, all Americans, allies, and aspirers.
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Funny, I don't recall being asked if he could speak for me.....

America's like that.

NO! That's wrong! Do you say "Germany's like that." if one German says or
posts something stupid? Do you say, "Denmark's like that." if one Dane says
or posts something stupid? Then stop treating 301 million Americans as if
they are all the same. You are a bigot!

Americans can't take criticism, apparently.
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