Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care

It is just plain rubbish if the NHS insists "either we pay what we
consider appropriate or you pay the lot and we do not pay a penny".
It's not rubbish, it's the rule, you either have NHS treatment or you
have private treatment.

You're talking ********. My girlfriend is a state registered dietitian
but works privately (treating food and environmental allergies and
conditions like autism - she'd much prefer to be doing this in the NHS
but it doesn't have any vacancies in the field). She gets referrals
from NHS practitioners regularly. Sometimes local health boards fund
her consultations, sometimes the patient pays. None of her patients
have ever been told they can't have both, and the system is perfectly
capable of coordinating treatment between the NHS and other therapists
(e.g. a hospital specialist refers a patient to her, she prescribes a
regimen for the patient and her recommendations end up back in an NHS
doctor's file on the patient).

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:15:40 -0800, Go Fig wrote:

In article , John Kulp


I wasn't talking about aircraft accidents, I was posting an article in
the NY Times on UK healthcare. I didn't write it, edit it or do
anything else. So are you claiming that the Times, the leading
leftist newspaper, is making up a non-existent problem that I
personally have heard criticism about on the BBC everytime I have been
in the UK? Or was I just beating the odds?

On most Sundays at 3pm (eastern) on CSPAN you can watch "Prime
Minister's Questions"... the only 'questions' that possibly eclipse
health care is crime.

I didn't know that and will take a look. I have seen excepts from
these occasionally and would like to see an entire version. I wish we
had the same thing here. Much more interesting than hearing our
politicos calling each other "my friend" when you know they hate each
other.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:43:16 GMT, (Carole Allen)
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:49:17 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:
At the cost of people's lives? Allowing bureaucrats to arbitrarily
decide someone doesn't get care because it's "unfair" to others?

Have you ever dealt with the bean-counters at privately run health
insurance organizations (ya know, Aetn, Cigna, Blue Cross, etc.) as
well as many HMOs when you need a procedure or medicine pre-approved?
or dealt with their denial of coveage? Bureaucrats aren't just found
in government.

Yes, I have dealt with them for years and have never had a problem.
Others may have, but I and my family have never had one. And, in any
case, I have not said that the US system doesn't have problems, but
quite the opposite. That, however, does not have anything to do with
others also not having problems and, while rather not having to choose
at all, will take dealing with issues like this with a private company
than a government. And bean counters don't make these decisions
anyway. It's medical staff at those companies.

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

On most Sundays at 3pm (eastern) on CSPAN you can watch "Prime
Minister's Questions"... the only 'questions' that possibly eclipse
health care is crime.

I didn't know that and will take a look. I have seen excepts from
these occasionally and would like to see an entire version. I wish we
had the same thing here. Much more interesting than hearing our
politicos calling each other "my friend" when you know they hate each
other.

I'm in UK and I hate all the confrontational "yah boo" stuff you get
in PM questions. But there's probably much too much politness and
deference in questioning US presidents.
As for it always being about the NHS, it isn't.
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:39:42 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

And lots of
places in Europe, including the UK, ARE moving in the US direction,
which is what the private insurance is all about isn't it?

why do you feel the need to tell us you dont want "our" system? If
yours is so good why the need to rant on about perceived failings in
ours in a travel group? You're wasting your breath anyway, nobody has
any time for the US system.

I already answered that from Alan, but I will repeat it again since
you ask. A thread got going here a few months ago where a few
geniuses decided to--well--libel the US system as if their's was
perfect. Funny, I found that offensive and completely ignorant (which
it was) so, as I said, turnabout is fairplay. If you don't like
getting it, don't hand it out. Also funny was that no one that I
remember thought that discussion was inappropriate for this group
while it was going on but suddenly do now. And it wasn't my breath
anyway if you can read. It was the NY Times. And, finally, if nobody
has any time for the US system, why do so many Canadians, for example,
flock here to get treatment they can't get in Canada? Oops. That's
travelling isn't it?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:40:25 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

I wasn't talking about aircraft accidents, I was posting an article in
the NY Times on UK healthcare.

you were talking about *news*, dont pretend you were not.

The NY Times decided it was news not me. Can you not understand that
I simply posted it here?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:44:01 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

An article on UK healthcare written by one of the leading
US newspapers? Why?

because the US view of UK healthcare isn't realistic, its just picking
on exceptions to make Americans feel less guilty about their failure
to provide good healthcare for the less well off in the richest
country on earth. Now go away.

When I need an idiot like you to tell me what to do I will let you
know. Funny, the US view of UK healthcare is supposedly unrealistic
but the UK view of the US system presumbably is not. The NY Times is
a leftist newspaper which is all for universal coverage here so just
what interest does it have in doing what you claim---all with
absolutely no proof of course? And do show us just why these are
exceptions will you as you claim--also with no proof?

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:00:03 +0100, Tim C.
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:41:13 -0600, "Pat" wrote:



Who is this "we"?


Why did you snip the poster's details?
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Martin

Because all I am interested in is his subject line.

He's speaking for you, all Americans, allies, and aspirers.
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Funny, I don't recall being asked if he could speak for me.....

America's like that.

America's like what? I was just talking about my family. Another
well informed libeller.

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

I wasn't talking about aircraft accidents, I was posting an article in
the NY Times on UK healthcare.

you were talking about *news*, dont pretend you were not.

The NY Times decided it was news not me.

the point was that they decided it was *news* because it was the
*exception*.

Can you not understand that I simply posted it here?

And why did you?
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Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

A thread got going here a few months ago where a few
geniuses decided to--well--libel the US system as if their's was
perfect.

there is a lot of US bashing gets posted here, just like loads of
Europe bashing, cheese eating surrender monkey type stuff, europeans
dont wash, all that.

Funny, I found that offensive and completely ignorant (which
it was) so, as I said, turnabout is fairplay. If you don't like
getting it, don't hand it out. Also funny was that no one that I
remember thought that discussion was inappropriate for this group
while it was going on but suddenly do now. And it wasn't my breath
anyway if you can read. It was the NY Times.

we spotted that.

And, finally, if nobody
has any time for the US system, why do so many Canadians, for example,
flock here to get treatment they can't get in Canada?

presumably because thiere are drawbacks in the Canadian system too.
There probably are in all systems.

Oops. That's
travelling isn't it?

Im afraid so! But you are OK its not European travel.
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Mike
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