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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:31:58 +0100, "Turan Fettahoglu"
wrote: The case with the cancer patient showed that the NHS does not work properly. But in the US the lady might have no insurance at all, which is still worse! Not necessarily. This is part, frankly, of simplistic views of the US system for your information. The lady would qualify for medicaid most probably and be covered there. Or for medicare and be covered there if old enough. Or under state programs. Or under the VA. Etc, etc. This is one of the great misperceptions about the US system. Just because someone doesn't have health insurance hardly means that they don't get medical care. Some don't but certainly not all. |
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It is just plain rubbish if the NHS insists "either we pay what we
consider appropriate or you pay the lot and we do not pay a penny". It's not rubbish, it's the rule, you either have NHS treatment or you have private treatment. You're talking ********. My girlfriend is a state registered dietitian but works privately (treating food and environmental allergies and conditions like autism - she'd much prefer to be doing this in the NHS but it doesn't have any vacancies in the field). She gets referrals from NHS practitioners regularly. Sometimes local health boards fund her consultations, sometimes the patient pays. None of her patients have ever been told they can't have both, and the system is perfectly capable of coordinating treatment between the NHS and other therapists (e.g. a hospital specialist refers a patient to her, she prescribes a regimen for the patient and her recommendations end up back in an NHS doctor's file on the patient). and your gf provides her services free to the NHS? I don't think so. My daughter works for the NHS. Any private treatment that is done outside the NHS has to be paid for. As I said, sometimes the health board pays, sometimes the patient does. Health boards within the NHS can pay anybody they want to get the treatment done - it's not a regular practice, and health boards vary a lot in how often they do it, but the system allows for it. It wouldn't surprise me if some NHS employees (like your daughter) didn't know this could happen. Most of them won't encounter it and aren't affected by the possibility in any way, so why should they know about it? ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:49:07 +0100, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:31:58 +0100, "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote: The case with the cancer patient showed that the NHS does not work properly. In most cases the NHS works very well. The NHS has a transparent policy of prioritising the use of resources. The NHS doesn't cope well with people abusing the system. For example, people, who go to their doctor to get a sick note so that they don't have to go to work and then don't show up for appointments for the treatment that is prescribed. If I don't show up for an appointment in NL I get a bill for the time I have wasted. Then why does one hear so much about all it problems then? To my knowledge, the French system is the one that works well and, perhaps, the German one. My son's experience with the Dutch one was abysmal. Virtually no choice in doctors because they are all full up. Getting one that was marginally competent at best. Having his daughter patently underprescribed an antibiotic for a simple ear infection that made the problem worse not better. Etc, etc. He would have been better off NOT showing up for the appointment. And where was this patient abusing the NHS system anyway? It was the system abusing her. |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:43:20 +0100, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:30:08 +0100, "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote: Patients "cannot, in one episode of treatment, be treated on the N.H.S. and then allowed, as part of the same episode and the same treatment, to pay money for more drugs," the health secretary, Alan Johnson, told Parliament. And why not?? There is no reason. The German health insurance system has stopped paying for "everything", but the consequence is that you have to pay the difference yourself - up to a certain percentage of your income. or take out private insurance to cover the difference? Gee, that US system again. It is just plain rubbish if the NHS insists "either we pay what we consider appropriate or you pay the lot and we do not pay a penny". It's not rubbish, it's the rule, you either have NHS treatment or you have private treatment. Which was exactly the problem wasn't it? |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:08:57 -0000, "William Black"
wrote: "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote in message ... But in the US the lady might have no insurance at all, which is still worse! Not from the point of view of many people in America. Remember, sickness is God's punishment, being poor is a sign that you are evil. And you're the blithering idiot and exploiter of India that called the US system ghastly weren't you? How do you like your ghastly one now genius? |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:15 +0000, Mike.......
wrote: Following up to (John Kulp) wrote: A thread got going here a few months ago where a few geniuses decided to--well--libel the US system as if their's was perfect. there is a lot of US bashing gets posted here, just like loads of Europe bashing, cheese eating surrender monkey type stuff, europeans dont wash, all that. Very true. All pretty juvenile. Funny, I found that offensive and completely ignorant (which it was) so, as I said, turnabout is fairplay. If you don't like getting it, don't hand it out. Also funny was that no one that I remember thought that discussion was inappropriate for this group while it was going on but suddenly do now. And it wasn't my breath anyway if you can read. It was the NY Times. we spotted that. Some apparently didn't. And, finally, if nobody has any time for the US system, why do so many Canadians, for example, flock here to get treatment they can't get in Canada? presumably because thiere are drawbacks in the Canadian system too. There probably are in all systems. Yep. Exactly the point. |
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Following up to Mike....... wrote:
Can you not understand that I simply posted it here? And why did you? OK answer elsewhere -- Mike Remove clothing to email |
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It's not rubbish, it's the rule, you either have NHS treatment
or you have private treatment. Which was exactly the problem wasn't it? It isn't a problem because it isn't true. The American hack who wrote what you quoted was lying. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts |
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