Why We Don't Want "Free" Medical Care

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

Like I said. Xenophobic, uncritical and idiotic. What more proof do
you need? Tell this to all the Canadians traipsing over here to get
high quality healthcare will you?

Hey, given the acknowledged gaps, that's xenophobic, uncritical and
idiotic. :-)
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:45:29 +0000, Mike.......
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Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

Some don't but certainly not all.

you realise that doesn't sound too reassuring to Europeans?

Sure. My wife's Swedish and has seen both. Europeans have long since
made conscious decisions to accept low growth and high unemployment,
for instance, in return for supposed security. Americans haven't,
which is the basic difference in the healthcare systems that evolved
in both places. Problem is, this worked pretty well early on when
populations were young and healthy and could be paid for. Now, when
they are aging and need more and more healthcare, it can't, so
Europeans are still getting low growth and high unemployment
(admittedly with some exceptions) with resource constrained
healthcare. Americans are getting (usually) higher growth, lower
unemployment, lower taxes and no universal coverage. You can argue
endlessly about which is preferable, but these are the main
differences.

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

and the current one is one of ever more expensive drug treatments and
ever longer living patients. Theres an issue to be resolved certainly,
but its not one dor americans to crow about.

You mean because Americans are heavily subsidizing your drug costs in
Europe which have been shifted here?

I dont think so. Ive no idea what you are on about there.
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Tell this to all the Canadians traipsing over here to get
high quality healthcare will you?

ALL of them?

Numbers?

Didn't think so.

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Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

You can argue
endlessly about which is preferable, but these are the main
differences.

and in the future growth isn't going to be a sustainable economic
model
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John Kulp wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:45:29 +0000, Mike.......
wrote:

Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

Some don't but certainly not all.
you realise that doesn't sound too reassuring to Europeans?

Sure. My wife's Swedish and has seen both. Europeans have long since
made conscious decisions to accept low growth and high unemployment,
for instance, in return for supposed security.

Ok, euro is 1,484 over the dollar, but there's no reason to freak out in
that way! A bit of dignity!

ciao, U.

Mike....... wrote:
Following up to (John Kulp) wrote:

You can argue
endlessly about which is preferable, but these are the main
differences.

and in the future growth isn't going to be a sustainable economic
model

ssst don't tell, he's already on the verge of a nervous breakdown

ciao, U.

It's not rubbish, it's the rule, you either have NHS treatment
or you have private treatment.
Which was exactly the problem wasn't it?
It isn't a problem because it isn't true.
The American hack who wrote what you quoted was lying.
My, my sensitive are we? And such an intelligent response with
absolutely NO proof of anything you said.

I posted an hour before that saying exactly how I know, in the thread
the German guy split off. Rather a lot of money from NHS health board
cheques paid into my girlfriend's bank account is enough proof for me.
An NYT hack didn't know such transactions ever took place? my god what
a surprise.

As usual you are blathering away third-hand neo-con propaganda. Some
of us have first-hand experience.


http://www.nytimes.com

Which is a pile of ****. These folks got their number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_of_Our_Times
and it hasn't improved any since.

Except when it covers Israel, it's not quite as bad as Murdoch's
Times, but that's like comparing the relative merits of herpes and
genital warts.

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Mike....... wrote:

yeah, I know. BTW, on one of the other things we have US/Euro flame
wars on, "switching" when eating. I was sat opposite some Americans
the other day and I remembered that flame war, so I looked. They ate
exactly the same as me, well they didnt spill as much, or drink as
much, and they talked too loud, but you know what I mean. I'm gonna
see how Homer Simpson eats and if he doesn't switch, I'm going to
refuse to believe it exists. My Texan friend doesn't do it either.

One of these days, Mike, you'll have to visit the US and see for
yourself. Yes, there are those who don't switch (my US-born husband
eats UK-style) but visit a small-town diner and watch the patrons - most
of them (unless they have foreign accents!) _will_ do the 'switching' thing.

Following up to S Viemeister wrote:

I'm gonna
see how Homer Simpson eats and if he doesn't switch, I'm going to
refuse to believe it exists. My Texan friend doesn't do it either.

One of these days, Mike, you'll have to visit the US and see for
yourself.

and spoil all the fun! I wouldn't mind doing Yosemite to show Ansel
Adams innumerable sycophants how to take photos :-)

Yes, there are those who don't switch (my US-born husband
eats UK-style)

did you give him a choice :-)

but visit a small-town diner and watch the patrons - most
of them (unless they have foreign accents!) _will_ do the 'switching' thing.

and if I went to the French Laundry?
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