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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
SC posner wrote:
I got Karen to join RTC almost 2 years ago. As well as GGC0000 Y-Group. I know she answered someone's question on RTC. But that is beside the point. She is a lurker and I intimidated her into participating in this Bidding process. At the time I talked her into this, we had no firm commitments from other TAs. She has a great reputation here in Tulsa, OK and has loads of experience. I thought that is what we want in a GGC TA? If you have a problem with Karen, talk to me ... Don't insult her! You wanted it and here it is Karen Wheelock's Resume: World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in Oklahoma. I, Karen Wheelock, have been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years. World Travel Service is a member of World Travel Partners, a member of the GIANTS CONSORTIUM, a member of CLIA, a member of the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce and a member of Executive Women International. I am sure there are other memberships, but these are the ones that I can think of that may be relevant. I have assembled and escorted many groups, from just 5 cabins to 350 cabins. I have worked with all the major cruise lines and have a great relationship with Carnival, Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, Norwegian, Holland America Line, Princess, Cunard, and Radisson Seven Seas. "Sue Keenan" wrote in message ... Lloyd Parsons wrote: In article , Sue Keenan wrote: Lloyd Parsons wrote: In article , Lloyd Parsons wrote: In article , Sue Keenan wrote: Lloyd Parsons wrote: Woo Hoo! Did we get some nice bids in. And your ggc2005 committee has been hard at work to decide what to put up for bid. We got very nice responses from 4 Travel Agents, here they are (in no particular order) Karen Wheelock of WorldTravel Services of Tulsa, OK. Cal Ford who we all know from here John Szeto who has been trying forever it seems. Peter Berlin who everyone also knows. We've got selection out the wazoo this year! You want a Western Caribbean? We got 'em, in more than one flavor How about a West Coast? It is there too New ships? Yep, got 'em Great selection from a bunch of excellent TA's. Voting will commence as soon as the website is updated to show the bids selected for the vote. At that time we will also post the rules of voting and how the results will be used if something doesn't pop up as the hands-down favorite. So keep watching www.ggc2005.com for the news! Lloyd Tropicale 2000 Sensation GGC2002 Golden Princess GGC2003 Radiance of the Seas GGC2004 Celebrity Millenium GLC2005 So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Lloyd I got to thinking and maybe that answer is too short. Let me expand on it. When the committee was being formed and discussions started within the committee, as well as the postings I made here about TA interest, the responses were underwhelming to say the least. We felt that all too many of the TA's that are here all the time would not bid, and we were almost right. I literally only knew of 2 TA's that would bid when I called for bids. I had been on the phone to a number of TA's from RTC to try to recruit them and had received not very encouraging conversations. I will not say who I called, nor will I say what was discussed. But the conversations led me and the committee to believe that the responses would be minimal at best. So we took the TA's that responded to the call for bids, and I thank them for their responses and the hard work it took to do those bids in the face of knowing that whoever wins (and maybe even doesn't win) will take some flak from some here that get their jollies bitching. All of that said, the bids that will be posted for voting are the ones that are available for a GGC this coming year. We think they are excellent bids, with a broad selection, much broader than in the past. Soon it will be up to you as voters to decide which of these bids you want. They will be identified as to who submitted so if that is a big deal to you, you can factor that in. Lloyd I'm sure there are a lot of TAs that read rtc and don't post, but if they didn't know the requirements had changed, how would they know to ask for a rfb? I don't recall seeing a post from you saying you lifted the following requirements? 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. Sue Great 20/20 hindsight! G All of this is true, but we did it the way we did it. In future another committee may decide to do it differently. We like the results and are not going to change anything at this stage of the game. None of the previous committee's rules are required to be used at all. I assume that all of the committee's have built on each other with changes along the way. Actually, I know that is exactly how it has been done. We did ours our way because that seemed to be necessary as we were seeing little positive feedback from anywhere about this GGC. I sure saw and heard enough negative though! Lloyd LLoyd, Those were your rules for GGC2005. At least they were when you posted them on rtc earlier this year. Would you please post some info about Karen Wheelock's experience as a TA? Thanks, Sue Asking how much experience a TA has or any business person, should not be taken as an insult. I also looked for the info on the Travel Agency's website before I asked. Sue |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to
do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. If you or anyone was interested in submitting a bid or even wanted to see the RFB, all you had to do is ask .... we as members of the GGC2005 Committee would have been happy to send anyone a copy. We rewrote the RFB to remove some of the Loopholes of the past and tried to make it more appealing for the TA's to want to submit a bid. Is there a need to be mean and nasty just for the sake of being mean and nasty? These TA's worked hard to put these packages together. Some have great itineraries, Some have great prices, Some of the TA's you might like, Some of the Ta's you might not like and some TA's you might not know. But they all took the time to try to submit bids to allow us a choice for a Great traveling experience. All the GGC2005 Committee tried to do is get bids on Cruises that people would want to go on. If you don't like the bids or the TA's ... Don't vote and by all means don't go. Don't ruin the Cruising experience for the rest of us. Please! Let the GGC be what it stands for .... a Great Group Cruise. We go for the Group not just the Cruise! I respect and thank them All, for their efforts! Chip Posner This is my soap box and I am standing on it! SC posner wrote: You wanted it and here it is Karen Wheelock's Resume: World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in Oklahoma. I, Karen Wheelock, have been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years. I have assembled and escorted many groups, from just 5 cabins to 350 cabins. I have worked with all the major cruise lines and have a great relationship with Carnival, Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, Norwegian, Holland America Line, Princess, Cunard, and Radisson Seven Seas. |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
Thanks Chip,
I couldn't said it better. I repeat to all, "If you don't like the bids or the TA's ... Don't vote and by all means don't go. Don't ruin the Cruising experience for the rest of us. Please!" Lets make this the GREATEST Group Cruise of all ! Tobieon an Island in the Pacific "SC posner" wrote in message m... Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. If you or anyone was interested in submitting a bid or even wanted to see the RFB, all you had to do is ask .... we as members of the GGC2005 Committee would have been happy to send anyone a copy. We rewrote the RFB to remove some of the Loopholes of the past and tried to make it more appealing for the TA's to want to submit a bid. Is there a need to be mean and nasty just for the sake of being mean and nasty? These TA's worked hard to put these packages together. Some have great itineraries, Some have great prices, Some of the TA's you might like, Some of the Ta's you might not like and some TA's you might not know. But they all took the time to try to submit bids to allow us a choice for a Great traveling experience. All the GGC2005 Committee tried to do is get bids on Cruises that people would want to go on. Let the GGC be what it stands for .... a Great Group Cruise. We go for the Group not just the Cruise! I respect and thank them All, for their efforts! Chip Posner This is my soap box and I am standing on it! |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
Take a chill pill Chippy...............Not once was there any nasty, flames,
remarks towards her........It was the process that is in question....... So drop it already Maybe if you made it worth while for the agents to make more money instead of asking for the moon you might have gotten a better response. Lets visit old friends for the first time the cheapest way we can as a group with the most amenities. Fred "SC posner" wrote in message m... Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. If you or anyone was interested in submitting a bid or even wanted to see the RFB, all you had to do is ask .... we as members of the GGC2005 Committee would have been happy to send anyone a copy. We rewrote the RFB to remove some of the Loopholes of the past and tried to make it more appealing for the TA's to want to submit a bid. Is there a need to be mean and nasty just for the sake of being mean and nasty? These TA's worked hard to put these packages together. Some have great itineraries, Some have great prices, Some of the TA's you might like, Some of the Ta's you might not like and some TA's you might not know. But they all took the time to try to submit bids to allow us a choice for a Great traveling experience. All the GGC2005 Committee tried to do is get bids on Cruises that people would want to go on. If you don't like the bids or the TA's ... Don't vote and by all means don't go. Don't ruin the Cruising experience for the rest of us. Please! Let the GGC be what it stands for .... a Great Group Cruise. We go for the Group not just the Cruise! I respect and thank them All, for their efforts! Chip Posner This is my soap box and I am standing on it! SC posner wrote: You wanted it and here it is Karen Wheelock's Resume: World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in Oklahoma. I, Karen Wheelock, have been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years. I have assembled and escorted many groups, from just 5 cabins to 350 cabins. I have worked with all the major cruise lines and have a great relationship with Carnival, Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, Norwegian, Holland America Line, Princess, Cunard, and Radisson Seven Seas. |
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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
my only question/concern is who is this other TA? do you know people who
have dealt with her in the past? is she someone's private agent? these can all be a concern. Everyone here on RTC is familiar with the other names and has their own opinions of them. -- Sheree "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... In article , Tom & Linda wrote: "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's that bid don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest. Having the stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster reduces the "pool" of TA's that can bid. Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you state up front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more interest next time. --Tom I won't argue with that. But that isn't the way it was done this time. Next GGC the committee can do like us and make their rules also. For information, each GGC committee is empowered to do whatever is ethical and legal to produce good results. They are not bound to the previous committee's rules in any way except possibly that it makes it easier. And actually, there is no requirement that the GGC chair even empanel a committee as I was told more than once. All in all, I think we got some very nice bids that you all will find at least one if not more to like. Lloyd |
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Dar Freddy,
A Chippy is an English prostitute! My name is Chip, yes that is my real name! I wasn't referring to Karen I was referring to the people that think the Committee has an agenda or we have some way to rig the out come! If you think the process is wrong or skewed, volunteer to be on the committee next year and change it! Then we can criticize you for trying to do a good job for the GGC. By the way, how do we make it worthwhile for the TA's to bid? How do we make it more profitable for the TA's? How do we keep the amenities the Cruisers seem to want? I think the TA's have done a great job with the itineraries and pricing! Plus we have the amenities that GGC seems to want. I applaud them all for taking the time and making the effort to give us choices. I also thank my fellow GGC Committee members for giving of their time to make this possible! There were lots of phone calls and an unbelievable amount of E-mails to reform the RFB so we could get TA's to bid! Chip Still on the Soap Box "Freddyp" wrote in message news:GhYuc.1813$CW.1707@lakeread05... Take a chill pill Chippy...............Not once was there any nasty, flames, remarks towards her........It was the process that is in question....... So drop it already Maybe if you made it worth while for the agents to make more money instead of asking for the moon you might have gotten a better response. Lets visit old friends for the first time the cheapest way we can as a group with the most amenities. Fred "SC posner" wrote in message m... Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. If you or anyone was interested in submitting a bid or even wanted to see the RFB, all you had to do is ask .... we as members of the GGC2005 Committee would have been happy to send anyone a copy. We rewrote the RFB to remove some of the Loopholes of the past and tried to make it more appealing for the TA's to want to submit a bid. Is there a need to be mean and nasty just for the sake of being mean and nasty? These TA's worked hard to put these packages together. Some have great itineraries, Some have great prices, Some of the TA's you might like, Some of the Ta's you might not like and some TA's you might not know. But they all took the time to try to submit bids to allow us a choice for a Great traveling experience. All the GGC2005 Committee tried to do is get bids on Cruises that people would want to go on. If you don't like the bids or the TA's ... Don't vote and by all means don't go. Don't ruin the Cruising experience for the rest of us. Please! Let the GGC be what it stands for .... a Great Group Cruise. We go for the Group not just the Cruise! I respect and thank them All, for their efforts! Chip Posner This is my soap box and I am standing on it! |
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If you read Karen Wheelock's Resume you will find that she is very
experienced and has a great reputation. World Travel Service has been in business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in Oklahoma. Karen Wheelock, has been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group specialist for 10 years. She is a delightful person to deal with. She has a true desire to make any travel experience pleasant and enjoyable for her clients. I have known her for a couple of years. I wanted to stay neutral in this, (since I am on the Committee) but her company is right here in Tulsa. We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other! I hope that answers some of your questions. If not feel free to ask others, or you could always call her! 1-800-324-4987 x 259 or check out their website www.WorldTravelToday "sheree" wrote in message t... my only question/concern is who is this other TA? do you know people who have dealt with her in the past? is she someone's private agent? these can all be a concern. Everyone here on RTC is familiar with the other names and has their own opinions of them. -- Sheree "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... In article , Tom & Linda wrote: "Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message ... So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither was the rest of the committee. As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get TA's that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was one of them. Thanks for asking.... Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's that bid don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest. Having the stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster reduces the "pool" of TA's that can bid. Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you state up front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more interest next time. --Tom I won't argue with that. But that isn't the way it was done this time. Next GGC the committee can do like us and make their rules also. For information, each GGC committee is empowered to do whatever is ethical and legal to produce good results. They are not bound to the previous committee's rules in any way except possibly that it makes it easier. And actually, there is no requirement that the GGC chair even empanel a committee as I was told more than once. All in all, I think we got some very nice bids that you all will find at least one if not more to like. Lloyd |
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Chip wrote...
Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. Or go on a GGC... Sorry, Chip... You know I love you, but taking on this group is a lot like committing suicide... I give you guys a lot of credit for putting up with the crap that goes on here... Hang in there, buddy! Pam ----- has lost my faith in the *group thing* |
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Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you state up
front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more interest next time. I have to agree with Tom on this one. I am sure there are several TAs that many of us know, who might have put in bids (as crazy as it may seem), but the rules that were originally stated on RTC, said that the TA's submitting bids, had to have been regular posters on RTC... Did I miss a published correction to that, somewhere? Mind you... I personally couldn't care less WHO bids, or who wins the bid... Just saying that I think that there would have been even more options, had others known that this particular requirement had been dropped from the criteria... Pam |
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In article , Lunyma
wrote: Chip wrote... Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries to do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so many individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to post on this Group. Or go on a GGC... Sorry, Chip... You know I love you, but taking on this group is a lot like committing suicide... I give you guys a lot of credit for putting up with the crap that goes on here... Hang in there, buddy! Pam ----- has lost my faith in the *group thing* It is only a problem if you let it be. Since the flamers are in the minority, and the worse they can do is **** me off, it ain't no big thing! ;-) The good part of the group thing is that those that go have a good time with a minimal amount of bitching on the cruise...... Lloyd |
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