Flyers passing through U.S. have few rights

Comforting to know!

Flyers passing through U.S. have few rights, Arar judge told
Last Updated Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:10:12 EDT

CBC News

A senior lawyer for the U.S. government has told a judge hearing a lawsuit
over Maher Arar's deportation to Syria that foreign citizens passing through
American airports have almost no rights.

....At most, Mason told the judge, a foreign passenger detained while
travelling through a U.S. airport might have a limited right to protection
from "gross physical abuse."...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...uit050811.html

TNSAF wrote:

Comforting to know!


To me as a US citizen it *sure* is...


Flyers passing through U.S. have few rights, Arar judge told
Last Updated Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:10:12 EDT

CBC News

A senior lawyer for the U.S. government has told a judge hearing a lawsuit
over Maher Arar's deportation to Syria that foreign citizens passing
through
American airports have almost no rights.

...At most, Mason told the judge, a foreign passenger detained while
travelling through a U.S. airport might have a limited right to protection
from "gross physical abuse."...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...uit050811.html



I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...

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Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:


I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...



Until "they" decree that you, too, are part of the riff-raff....

Where do you draw the line? "You can harass *those* people, you know,
the riff-raff, the ones I don't like.... What? Wait! Where are you
taking me!!!!!"

In article et,
Gregory Morrow gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net wrote:
I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...

Now you know why the rest of the world hates the USA.

Captain Dondo wrote:

Gregory Morrow wrote:


I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...



Until "they" decree that you, too, are part of the riff-raff....

Where do you draw the line? "You can harass *those* people, you know,
the riff-raff, the ones I don't like.... What? Wait! Where are you
taking me!!!!!"

In the words of Martin Niemoeller:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Hatunen wrote:


Us nonriff-raff have American citizenship.

By the way, according to the cited article, that is what the US
attorney told the judge; no decision by the judge is available
yet, so the wailing and gnashing of teeth may be a bit premature.


Speaking as a US citizen, we can assume that is the official position of
our Gov't. That scares me.

Speaking as a non-US citizen (yes I hold dual citizenship) I can assume
that is the official position of your Gov'. That scares me.

What really scares me is that many Americans seem to support this sort
of absolute disdain for human rights, as long as it is done to [some
other group/person]. I would hope that we have come far from the days
of savagery and ingorance, but the Bush administration is hell-bent on
proving me wrong.

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TNSAF wrote:
Comforting to know!

Flyers passing through U.S. have few rights, Arar judge told
Last Updated Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:10:12 EDT

That wasn't the most scary quote in that article, I thought.
How about:

"However, (US Dept. of Justice) spokeswoman Cynthia Magnuson issued this short
statement: "The United States does not practise torture, export torture
or condone torture."

In legal briefs written by U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, the
Justice Department has defined torture to mean "pain consistent with
major organ failure or death."

, it's right at the bottom of:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...uit050811.html

The implication of course being, that the US is doing torture, that
isn't defined as "pain consistent with major organ failure or death".

I'm surprised the media isn't picking up on that one more.

Nick

Captain Dondo wrote:

Hatunen wrote:


Us nonriff-raff have American citizenship.

By the way, according to the cited article, that is what the US
attorney told the judge; no decision by the judge is available
yet, so the wailing and gnashing of teeth may be a bit premature.


Speaking as a US citizen, we can assume that is the official position of
our Gov't. That scares me.

Speaking as a non-US citizen (yes I hold dual citizenship) I can assume
that is the official position of your Gov'. That scares me.

What really scares me is that many Americans seem to support this sort
of absolute disdain for human rights, as long as it is done to [some
other group/person]. I would hope that we have come far from the days
of savagery and ingorance, but the Bush administration is hell-bent on
proving me wrong.


In this particular case the idiot transited through US territory (JFK, and
no US airport that I know of has sterile international - to - international
transit facilities). If he'd transited ex - US he could have avoided all
this...

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Bet
Greg

C wrote:

In article et,
Gregory Morrow
gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net wrote:
I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...

Now you know why the rest of the world hates the USA.


I really don't give a fig, actually...

--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
C wrote:


In article et,
Gregory Morrow

gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net wrote:

I think it's *great* news - it'll help keep out the riff - raff...

Now you know why the rest of the world hates the USA.

I really don't give a fig, actually...


Isolationism is not the solution.