Christmas vs "Holidays"

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:23:17 +0000, Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

"jsmith" wrote


chipping away at ... Christmas ... substituting ... shopping


I am indeed sick of it. If I hear 'Frosty the Snowman' and or anything
else out of tin-pan alley when I go grocery shopping I will scream. The
commercial crud may force me into going to the Kosher butcher at
Christmas.

But, that's what one gets for trying to get a free ride by tacking
Christmas on the back of Winter Solstice. One always pays in the end.
Was ChristmasSolstice another one of Paul's idiot ideas or was it
Nicea?

Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose from
the dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with
her symbols the egg and rabbit.

I don't see why not - it's about rebirth and all that.

What I don't get is why they call his execution day "Good" anything!

Cheers!
Rich

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:17:01 -0800, Richard Henry wrote:


"jsmith" wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@s onicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??)
concoctions to diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of
Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were taught by the Prince of Peace.

And a Happy Winter Solstice to you!

Or as we learned in high school Latin: Io Saturnalia!

When we did that, all of the other kids were saying, "Io Saturn" and I was
the only one who included the "alia." When they all looked at me like I
had just grown a second nose, I said, "Well, on Christmas, you don't go
around saying, "Yay Jesus!"

Cheers!
Rich

I read in sci.electronics.design that Nicholas O. Lindan
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:
"jsmith" wrote

chipping away at ... Christmas ... substituting ... shopping

I am indeed sick of it. If I hear 'Frosty the Snowman' and
or anything else out of tin-pan alley when I go grocery shopping
I will scream. The commercial crud may force me into going to
the Kosher butcher at Christmas.

But, that's what one gets for trying to get a free ride by
tacking Christmas on the back of Winter Solstice. One always
pays in the end. Was ChristmasSolstice another one of Paul's
idiot ideas or was it Nicea?


As you might expect, there is a lot of information on the web, some of
it plausible. One account includes:

The Roman Church finally fixed December 25th as the birthday of Jesus
Christ after the great persecution that took place around A.D. 310;
which connects the visitation of the wise men from the East, being
celebrated twelve days later. Though questioned for several generations
by the Eastern Church, the Roman day became universal in the fifth
century.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.

By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam p.paulfriedmanNoS
wrote (in ) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.

By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a
pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote:

You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of
learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings
towards any religious "event."

Karen, agnostic
(That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to
label myself an atheist!)

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a
pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:11:02 GMT, Karen Segboer wrote:

You got that right, James. But then, only someone with a scratch of
learnin' would know that. Everyone else just parade like lemmings
towards any religious "event."

Karen, agnostic
(That's right. I don't even have enough faith in my own beliefs to
label myself an atheist!)

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:22:56 +0000, Bob Eldred wrote:


"jsmith" wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@s onicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??)
concoctions to diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of
Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were taught by the Prince of Peace.


Get serious. Christians adopted the winter solstice as their own. If you
are a Christian I'm sure you are aware that Christ was born in the spring
of the year not in winter. Things like greenery in buidings, decking halls
and decorating trees predate Christianity but have been adopted by them.
Palm trees would be more appropriate as true Christmas trees as a symbol
of the holy land. Snow and all that goes with it is not Christian either.
Northern tales of elves, reindeer and jolly men in red suits, likewise
arn't Christian. People always adopt local traditions, holidays and
pagents as their own. Get over it and enjoy the holidays for what they
are. Remember there are two s'es in Chri$tma$ and they are both dollar
signs! Now go buy some gifts.


http://wiw.org/~drz/tom.lehrer/evening.html#christmas

Cheers!
Rich

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:44:48 -0500, Phyllis wrote:

Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.

LOL This year it's on Saturday but I get your point.

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:51:05 -0500, Fred wrote:

The Yahoo people can add him in with us

Some of the Yahoo crowd can't add.