"How the imams terrorized an airliner"

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote:

: Maybe you can explain how you switch seats on a full plane.

You can ask somebody to swap seats with you. Or, if you are an early
boarder and bold enough, just go sit where you want and hope the other
guy will accept the swap. In this case, the other guy probably
complained to the crew, which is how hey knew.

Swapping seats is not illegal any more than talking about Osama Bin
Laden is. The article makes it clear that their total behavior was the
cause for suspicion. For example, the chosen seats were distributed
along the length of the plane in the manner favored by hijackers.

DevilsPGD wrote:

: I understand. The terrorism threat level was increased because potential
: terrorist #1 traded seats with potential terrorist #2.
: That makes as much sense as statements that several of them had no
: checked baggage and one way tickets.
:
: Agreed. Who knew whether they checked baggage, or had one way or return
: tickets when they started complaining anyway?

Of course, the complaining passengers didn't know many of these things.
It is the pilot and the crew who put all the information together and
made the decisions they did.

Ajanta wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote:

: I understand. The terrorism threat level was increased because potential
: terrorist #1 traded seats with potential terrorist #2.
: That makes as much sense as statements that several of them had no
: checked baggage and one way tickets.
:
: Agreed. Who knew whether they checked baggage, or had one way or return
: tickets when they started complaining anyway?

Of course, the complaining passengers didn't know many of these things.
It is the pilot and the crew who put all the information together and
made the decisions they did.

I have the feeling all of these accusations were because of ONE single
note from ONE passenger. The rest was hysteria spread among the other
passengers. FWIW, the tickets WERE not one way as reported.

Ajanta wrote:

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote:

: Maybe you can explain how you switch seats on a full plane.

You can ask somebody to swap seats with you. Or, if you are an early
boarder and bold enough, just go sit where you want and hope the other
guy will accept the swap. In this case, the other guy probably
complained to the crew, which is how hey knew.

Swapping seats is not illegal any more than talking about Osama Bin
Laden is. The article makes it clear that their total behavior was the
cause for suspicion. For example, the chosen seats were distributed
along the length of the plane in the manner favored by hijackers.

So, you suspect that unarmed hijackers are now using blind people to
perform hijackings?

"Mike Hunt" postmaster@localhost wrote in message
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Ajanta wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote:

: I understand. The terrorism threat level was increased because
potential : terrorist #1 traded seats with potential terrorist #2.
: That makes as much sense as statements that several of them had no :
checked baggage and one way tickets.
: : Agreed. Who knew whether they checked baggage, or had one way or
return
: tickets when they started complaining anyway?

Of course, the complaining passengers didn't know many of these things.
It is the pilot and the crew who put all the information together and
made the decisions they did.

I have the feeling all of these accusations were because of ONE single
note from ONE passenger. The rest was hysteria spread among the other
passengers. FWIW, the tickets WERE not one way as reported.

That statement on the tickets is based on what?

As for your feeling, the undisputed news articles have all made clear that
the captain had misgivings, along with the crew. No one else has challenged
that.

Swapping seats is not illegal any more than talking about Osama Bin
Laden is. The article makes it clear that their total behavior was the
cause for suspicion. For example, the chosen seats were distributed
along the length of the plane in the manner favored by hijackers.

So, you suspect that unarmed hijackers are now using blind people to
perform hijackings?

From the news article:
" Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the
imams switched from their assigned seats ... to two in the front row
first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two
in the rear of the cabin. " A seating pattern which would cover all
the plane's exits.

I do not believe that anyone can say for certain the intent of these
Imams. That is, assuming that this was their true vocation. I believe
that they knew that their actions would be suspicious, and may have
been hoping to be detained in order to play the PC card and declare a
civil rights violation. Start the pattern of allowing such
altercations to occur at regular intervals - with the associated
condemnation by groups such as the Muslim American Society Freedom
Foundation. And wait for political correctness to reach the point
where anyone looking Muslim cannot be singled out for additional
security checks or refused boarding.

Anyone else notice that the organizations which claim to represent the
interests of Islam without fail demand that American and Western
society adapt for their culture. And never is the alternative
discussed. Islam in the west has learned to play the civil rights and
politically correct game.

Mister Wrong wrote:
Swapping seats is not illegal any more than talking about Osama Bin
Laden is. The article makes it clear that their total behavior was the
cause for suspicion. For example, the chosen seats were distributed
along the length of the plane in the manner favored by hijackers.


So, you suspect that unarmed hijackers are now using blind people to
perform hijackings?


From the news article:
" Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the
imams switched from their assigned seats ... to two in the front row
first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two
in the rear of the cabin. " A seating pattern which would cover all
the plane's exits.

Interesting, and you believe everything you read in a news article?

How about the actual facts

1 One Iman was in First Class.
2. He was had elite status and also requested a FC seat for his blind friend
3. He was not able to get his friend a FC seat, and this is the Iman who
ended up seated next to another Iman toward the back of the plane.

Amazing what actual facts will do for you.

The note writer panicked by seeing Muslims praying.
He wrote a note. This hysteria then spread among crew members and some
passsengers. It was a classic case of imagination gone wild.

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote:

: So, you suspect that unarmed hijackers are now using blind people to
: perform hijackings?

Unless all six of them were blind, I would pay no attention. Five
potential terrorists instead of six is good enough to act.

And yes, I do think a group of terrorists would not be above using a
blind person (or a child, or an elderly) as diversion and cover.

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote:

: you believe everything you read in a news article?

"Believe" is not the right word. But statements from those who were
there and news reports are all one has.

: How about the actual facts

How do you know them, and why should anybody believe you more than
the news article?

Ajanta wrote:

Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote:

: you believe everything you read in a news article?

"Believe" is not the right word. But statements from those who were
there and news reports are all one has.

: How about the actual facts

How do you know them, and why should anybody believe you more than
the news article?

There are other news sources other than this article.

From another article:

"The police report said the flight's captain had already decided he
wanted the men off the plane after the passenger passed him a note
pointing out 'suspicious Arabic men.' "

The captain decided based on the NOTE....