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This is an outrage!
The only outrage is that this man is still alive and walking free. Some
crimes are so outrageous that national boundaries should not matter and this piece of filth is an example. Locking him in a cage with a psychopath may be too good for him. Jim "Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in message ... You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in your bedroom. Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort By SUSAN SAULNY A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury yesterday as the man's trial began. The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal District Court. "Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr. Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with boys." Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to 17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex. Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison. Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983. Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges in the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal." "He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal vacations." Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors. Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion he observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night. According to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving questioned him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse. "The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because, perhaps among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint stated. -- Steve º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º Steve Chaney Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID: http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid "If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy, Message-ID: "Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth, Message-ID: "I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved what happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID: "Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell |
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This is an outrage!
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:26:47 -0700, "Jim"
wrote: The only outrage is that this man is still alive and walking free. Some crimes are so outrageous that national boundaries should not matter and this piece of filth is an example. Locking him in a cage with a psychopath may be too good for him. Jim Jim: Repeat after me...first the trial, then the verdict, then the punishment. Even under Ashcroft and post 9/11. |
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This is an outrage!
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:46:44 -0400, "Jeeters"
wrote: Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"? Well, I agree with you. It really is hard to imagine a reasonable jurisdictional basis for prosecuting someone for something that happened in a different country, not to mention, it is really difficult to see how you could get a fair trial without the right to subpoenal witnesses, etc. Do not forget, the guy could be innocent. People get so outraged about certain crimes that the convinction of an innocent person becomes much more likely. Or as they say: "Child molestation, a crime so heinous that innocence is no defense." They should allow the Mexican authorities to prosecute him if they choose, with normal extradition procedures. Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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This is an outrage!
So how many boys did you molest?
(Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®) wrote in message ... You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in your bedroom. Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort By SUSAN SAULNY A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury yesterday as the man's trial began. The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal District Court. "Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr. Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with boys." Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to 17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex. Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison. Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983. Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges in the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal." "He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal vacations." Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors. Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion he observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night. According to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving questioned him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse. "The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because, perhaps among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint stated. -- Steve º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º Steve Chaney Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID: http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid "If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy, Message-ID: "Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth, Message-ID: "I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved what happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID: "Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell |
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This is an outrage!
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Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:09:26 -0500, "Mike Dobony" wrote: So how many boys did you molest? Steve Chaney's forger is very modest in this area. He doesn't not carry a cane with notches in it ... besides, he would get into trouble with the cops and give certain priests competition. LV Remove "intel" from address to reply Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." -Stephen Wright - ------------------------------------------- Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable. Those who insist on doing this are living examples of that old Chinese proverb: Keep mouth closed and be thought a fool: Open mouth and remove all doubt. In other words, they are idiots. - ------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBP3o/lMTgtWhYq7BhEQJn6ACcCcWkHRRn/KNQTLIrJAyw/klXB6QAoJHm QzjcAA/B8Hg6mZuQ7IVzu8jI =2feS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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