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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Friday, December 08, 2006
Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon' In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming baths. Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos, and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees. Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors have been subsumed to this impractical dress code. Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable. Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.' Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed.' Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of 'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'? 'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'? By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor, and a vanquished... |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK? |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
PJ O'Donovan wrote: Friday, December 08, 2006 Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon' In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming baths. Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos, and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees. Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors have been subsumed to this impractical dress code. Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable. Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.' Indeed they do, sir, indeed they do. But everyone else also has as much right to go swimming when they wish to do so. This is the United Kingdom, and nothing is 'non-negotiable' in its liberal democratic tradition. With ironic timing, the Prime Minister has said in a speech today that tolerance was 'what makes Britain, Britain' and warned 'we must be ready to defend this attitude...so conform to it; or don't come here. We don't want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed.' Cranmer wonders how such sectarianism in the leisure industry would go down in other parts of the UK. What would be the outcry in Northern Ireland or Scotland if there were 'Protestant only' swimming times? How would the Mohammedans react if Christians started to insist on non-negotiable Christian-only hours in the public services? Cries of 'racism'? Religious discrimination? Insults to 'The Prophet'? 'Behead those who oppose the Shari'a swim'? By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor, and a vanquished... Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a health issue. The world's gone mad. |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
wrote in message ps.com... Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen, sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK? How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the facts. |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
Friday, December 08, 2006 Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon' In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming baths. Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos, and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees. Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors have been subsumed to this impractical dress code. Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable. Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.' They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc. -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen,
sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK? How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the facts. His stuff comes from the Moonies (Washington Times), which tells you how factual it is. It would actually be handy for women visitors who want to fit in with this particular version of the Muslim dress code to know when these times are, and it would it be entirely on-topic for the group to give such information, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for PJ to do it. I suspect his depiction how these women dress when swimming unobserved by men are entirely the product of some sort of kinky fantasy. Some actual facts about this sort of policy: Glasgow Council used to run a pool in Govanhill, a substantially Pakistani area. They had a few women-only swimming times during the week which local Muslim women went to. In 2001 they closed the baths; probably their intention was to sell the land to whatever private developer came up with the largest bribe. Govanhill is an area where people, whatever their race or religion, mostly have little money and poor health; the baths made a big difference. What they were offered as an alternative was way too far away for most users to reach, and for the Muslim women, had the insuperable problem that you could see into it from all round, it had huge uncurtainable windows. More about the campaign to keep the baths open: http://www.geocities.com/govanhillbaths/history.html http://www.variant.randomstate.org/21texts/baths.html If Croydon is doing better, good for them. ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
On 8 Dec 2006 15:30:13 -0800, "PJ O'Donovan" wrote: Friday, December 08, 2006 Public swimming halted for 'Muslim afternoon' In a further example that the values and aspirations of Islam are antithetical to those of the United Kingdom, Croydon Council has instituted 'Muslim only' swimming times in its public swimming baths. Cranmer's occasional communicant, Mr Croydonian, will now be barred for two whole hours on Sundays from swimming in his revealing speedos, and there will be no watching the girls go by, because they are all banned. Mr Croydonian will only be admitted if he conforms to Shari'a law and wears shorts that hide the navel and cover the knees. Croydon Council has made provision for Muslim women outside its normal opening hours, and the Shari'a dress code is to be covered from the neck down to the ankle. Have you ever tried swimming wrapped in a sheet? Cranmer can't help wondering why health and safety factors have been subsumed to this impractical dress code. Croydon Mosque states quite unequivocally: 'Muslims are not allowed to show off intimate parts of their body. This is non-negotiable. Muslims have as much right to go swimming as anyone else.' They have just as much right to force Islamic values on the British as the British have of forcing it on Iraqis etc. Good parallel - idiot! |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
On 8 Dec 2006 15:38:05 -0800, "Hunter"
wrote: By adopting Islamic practices, Croydon Council is unwittingly conforming to the demands of the Dar-al-harb - the House of War. In Islamic theology, this is a battle that rages until there is a victor, and a vanquished... Does this mean they enter the pool without first taking a public shower.....or do they shower fully clothed too. That surely would be a health issue. No. The point of having a specific swim time for Muslim women is so that they can strip down freely. The original poster was being misleading. |
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"Special" swimming times for Muslims in UK public swimming pools
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:43:36 GMT, "DVH" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... Who the **** is this dick O'Donovan? Is he mentally ill? Listen, sunshine, **** off and take your bigoted crap somewhere else, OK? How is it bigoted, Mike? PJ's just reporting [what I assume to be] the facts. Your assumption is hasty. It's most certainly not a fact that muslim women are going to swim while fully dressed. |
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